tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post8830615240733446238..comments2023-10-24T11:23:31.580-04:00Comments on Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion: Juan Williams Fired For Acknowledging Negative StereotypesWilliam A. Jacobsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16433685588536441422noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-50647371360593419052010-10-22T10:58:37.692-04:002010-10-22T10:58:37.692-04:00Norwegian Shooter . . . as you may well be aware, ...<b>Norwegian Shooter</b> . . . as you may well be aware, "never" envisions a long term run. <br /><br />But why not stick to the extended comment that Bernie Goldberg made, much of which was conveniently <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/21/goldberg-npr-drove-a-stake-through-the-heart-of-liberalism/" rel="nofollow">laid out here by Ed Morrissey</a> at <b>Hot Air</b>? <br /><br />Rather than just treating us to your somewhat juvenile version of the <b>LOL</b> canard, why not explain to us exactly why Bernie Goldberg is wrong? <br /><br />If, as you say, he is always why wrong, that should be easy-as-pie for you!<br /><br />On the other hand, I think what Bernie said made a lot of sense. In some respects, what he said is thematically consistent with many other thoughtful comments posted here. And there is no doubt that the rat-a-tat-tat laughing jag on your part has proved nothing to the contrary. <br /><br />You were amusing you. <br /><br />Bernie notes that, over the years, American liberalism has in many ways abandoned its legitimate past struggles over principle, in favor of a downright corrupting of our public dialogue. Instead of defending "free speech" and engaging in public debate as they used to, they now prefer to poison the dialogue and end any discussion.<br /><br />To me, this is especially so given the oft- repeated and false race card charges that have been frequently and repeatedly directed at tea party protesters.<br /><br />And there is certainly no better single example of that than the false and vicious race-baiting claims made by Congressman Andre Carson, Indiana Democrat, a member of the Congressional Black caucus, about tea party protesters at the time of the vote on ObamaCare. Those phony claims of his were an obvious attempt to illegitimately poison the public debate over forced healthcare.Trochilushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07661310034696479920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-22492666105653744872010-10-21T22:52:02.425-04:002010-10-21T22:52:02.425-04:00The real hypocrisy of political correctness, espec...The real hypocrisy of political correctness, especially in this case, is that major media organizations have a policy, at least de facto, that they won't offend Muslim sensibilities.<br /><br />But the Mohammed cartoons and the South Park episode showed that a major reason if not the primary reason was that they were afraid for the safety of their employees.<br /><br />These policies are, if not written down, acted upon and generally well understood. So most media corporations have policy that is based on "Islamophobia." They aren't being politically correct out of courtesy, it's because they think precisely what Williams said, only worse.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06009702414432282984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-8260030245098339902010-10-21T18:47:45.626-04:002010-10-21T18:47:45.626-04:00This is just another nail in the progressive coffi...This is just another nail in the progressive coffin! I have not always agreed with Mr. Williams, but in all fairness he seems to be the most sane out of the whole NPR bunch, what a shame. NPR USED to be a voice for all the people, but leaning more to the right than the left I have not listened to any broadcasts in years....deedeebug95https://www.blogger.com/profile/15800431835924210708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-32022541657073209102010-10-21T15:33:58.926-04:002010-10-21T15:33:58.926-04:00Trochilus, thanks for reading my blog, but I know ...Trochilus, thanks for reading my blog, but I know the difference between Bernie and Jonah ... and Jeffrey and Whoopi and just plain Goldberg, too. But thanks again for reading. By the way, saying someone is half wrong isn't having them firmly in your sights. My laughter was side-splitting because I don't think Bernie is ever right. Care to find me another example?Mark Ericksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12604074895219791713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-44987989246088991512010-10-21T13:42:59.237-04:002010-10-21T13:42:59.237-04:00Thank you, professor. Truly, I'm laughing out...Thank you, professor. Truly, I'm laughing out loud. :DDINORightMariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01067345219054999889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-75745714445691890482010-10-21T13:22:47.299-04:002010-10-21T13:22:47.299-04:00Uhhh . . . Norwegian Shooter . . . the Professor w...Uhhh . . . <b>Norwegian Shooter</b> . . . the Professor was talking about Bernie Goldberg, not Johah Goldberg, who <a href="http://norwegianshooter.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">you apparently believe</a> you have firmly in your sights.<br /><br />Bernie . . . Jonah . . . two different people. <br /><br />Okay?<br /><br />Here's a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0" rel="nofollow">little suggestion for you</a>.Trochilushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07661310034696479920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-82016045511259840302010-10-21T13:05:45.679-04:002010-10-21T13:05:45.679-04:00Bernie hit the nail on the head with this comment:...Bernie hit the nail on the head with this comment:<br /><br /><em>"These are the kind of people who brag about how open-minded they are -- as long as you agree with them."</em><br /><br />Exactly. If you don't agree with folks like that, you either become a target of an angry personal denunciation, or (if they fear you) you are shunned.<br /><br />There is rarely any curiosity expressed about why you look at things differently, or any form of engagement. Just quick rejection. <br /><br />Over time, it has been revealed as the all-to-frequent hypocrisy of the left -- the new intolerance practiced by the heirs of those who in the 1960s claimed to champion tolerance and open-mindedness. <br /><br />Ofer time, the left began to recognize that the idea that EVERYTHING must be tolerated, was mindless nonsense. So, that "pure tolerance" gradually became a doctrine of <em>enforced open-mindedness and tolerance . . . or else!"</em><br /><br />When it is a public or semi-public figure who today's progressives disagree with, they just whip out the <em><b>Big Book of Name-Calling!</b></em>, flip angrily to page one, and begin mindlessly chanting . . . <em>sometimes</em> (as you noted above) in a sort of blood-lust unison. MediaMatters to ThinkProgress to Greenwald . . . they thought they executed a triple play!<br /><br />They are not just disagreeing; they are out to destroy some person's reputation. As in the old joke, today it became Juan Williams "turn in the barrel."<br /><br />So it seems to me that the more flawed modern day liberalism has been revealed to be over the years, the more intolerant it's adherents have morphed into that which they previously claimed to eschew.<br /><br />Particularly since the 1960s, as considerable evidence has accumulated that many big government programs to eliminate this-or-that social ill, have rather consistently come up short, the more angrily insistent their proponents defend them and retrench, rather than engage and reform.<br /><br />When a doggedly resistent palace guard protecting the housing havens of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac contributed mightily to the 2008 market crash, enough people noticed the disturbing connections over time that it helped to help spawn a gradual reaction that, with ObamaCare, has become a movement. People want their country back.<br /><br />To the intolerant left, those became the enemy. <br /><br />And out came "Big Book" and the poisonous slurs.<br /><br />As for Juan Williams, well his "sin" was the worst of all . . . <em>consorting with the enemy!</em> How dare he go on The Factor and converse with that man!Trochilushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07661310034696479920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-69081474269189350862010-10-21T12:52:48.430-04:002010-10-21T12:52:48.430-04:00"I think Bernie Goldberg has it right"
..."I think Bernie Goldberg has it right"<br /><br />HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Oh, that's good. Thanks!Mark Ericksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12604074895219791713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-51667559016900038642010-10-21T12:37:53.439-04:002010-10-21T12:37:53.439-04:00Kristol described a neoconservative as a "lib...Kristol described a neoconservative as a "liberal mugged by reality." I suspect Mr. Williams is experiencing some post-mugging cognitive dissonance. <br /><br />Williams' liberal views get a fair hearing by the Right every night on Fox. But when Williams takes one step off the PC path, the Left fires him. Mr. <br /><br />Williams' real crime is appearing on Fox News. His presence on Fox disproves the liberal canard that conservatives are intolerant of diverse views. Among other diagnoses, modern "Liberals" suffer from a serious irony deficiency.USAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14086461724988334820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-6221719301775146982010-10-21T12:11:53.334-04:002010-10-21T12:11:53.334-04:00@DINORightMarie - I had meant to include that lang...@DINORightMarie - I had meant to include that language (now added) -- don't fire me for taking HotAir out of context!William A. Jacobsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16433685588536441422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-70860497145707962522010-10-21T11:53:56.872-04:002010-10-21T11:53:56.872-04:00Professor, just a quick comment on your Hot Air qu...Professor, just a quick comment on your Hot Air quote - "But, hey, that’s NPR’s prerogative. After all"<br /><br />When I read that I was fuming - how could Hot Air (Ed Morrissey) say that "that's NPR's prerogative. After all"?! <br /><br />Ready to hit Hot Air with my comment, I went to the link. Then, when I went to the post, I saw the statement was clearly sarcasm - here's the rest of the quote: <br />"...After all, <em><strong>it’s not as if they’re government sponsored in any way. Oh, wait …</strong></em>" (emphasis mine - that's what was missing).<br /><br />Please, let us not lose our "context" here. ;)DINORightMariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01067345219054999889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-39540329862962657692010-10-21T11:39:57.525-04:002010-10-21T11:39:57.525-04:00I rarely agree with Williams, but am incensed at N...I rarely agree with Williams, but am incensed at NPR firing him. The bright side is that maybe Williams will recognize the truth about liberals and their openess to diverse opinions.redleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17822524236414967403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-2988919014156751392010-10-21T11:10:45.727-04:002010-10-21T11:10:45.727-04:00How many left wing pundits will attack Juan Willia...How many left wing pundits will attack Juan Williams today, and in days following, for the simple reason of fear if they don't?<br /><br />This is like an honor killing object lesson to any liberal who gets a paycheck from FOX News or associates with other liberals who do.VotingFemalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12119534885335180008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-21847036473324976692010-10-21T11:10:24.038-04:002010-10-21T11:10:24.038-04:00On what grounds can a man be fired for expressing ...On what grounds can a man be fired for expressing a fear he has? His fear may not be rational, but so what. Many of our fears are not rational.<br /><br />This was a politically motivated firing. Stories circulated months ago that NPR was pressuring both Juan and Mara Liasson to leave Fox. They both stood their ground. Now NPR has found a horribly weak excuse to fire Juan. <br /><br />Better suppress your speech Lara. You could be next.MaggotAtBroad&Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04493406951892285654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-12064549709682951392010-10-21T10:54:24.908-04:002010-10-21T10:54:24.908-04:00NPR and PBS have both become shams, as far as I...NPR and PBS have both become shams, as far as I'm concerned:<br /><br />http://syd4.blogspot.com/2010/10/public-tv-not-so-public-anymore-pbs.htmlStray Yellar Dawg?https://www.blogger.com/profile/04861846247063603370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-80443386229977185342010-10-21T10:51:43.612-04:002010-10-21T10:51:43.612-04:00I can't feel too bad for Juan. He is a true li...I can't feel too bad for Juan. He is a true liberal making good bucks as a FOX contributor.<br />I recall when G.W Bush was elected how Juan for a protracted period of time would not call him President Bush, but always Mr. Bush or just simply the President. This was his protest against<br />the stealing of the election from Al Gore.Edward Cropperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10101203539480399988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-38950780253116483442010-10-21T10:48:29.579-04:002010-10-21T10:48:29.579-04:00Can't help but notice the parallel's betwe...Can't help but notice the parallel's between this and what happened to Sherod. Will the press all turn around tomorrow apologize and criticize WAPO for taking his quotes out of context? I'm not holding my breath.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11904791827959032584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-468211021776517182010-10-21T10:37:19.402-04:002010-10-21T10:37:19.402-04:00I'm with Reaganite Republican; de-fund NPR. Th...I'm with Reaganite Republican; de-fund NPR. There is no legitimate reason that all taxpayers should have to fund this Democratic organization.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07802764102575503369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-26329595821690193242010-10-21T10:35:12.806-04:002010-10-21T10:35:12.806-04:00What’s amazing here is the blatant irony of the Le...What’s amazing here is the blatant irony of the Left screaming about freedom of the press, freedom of speech, racism, the evils of the rich, and Fox News and then in one fell swoop they fire a black member of the media for speaking his mind on a news organization that is now being bought out by a billionaire Leftist.<br />When the Right wins the House, time for us to demand they defund NPR from the taxpayer.Van Halenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16636153816814457813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-78041319147985262052010-10-21T10:33:43.818-04:002010-10-21T10:33:43.818-04:00And it will be NPR's prerogative to hire/fire ...And it will be NPR's prerogative to hire/fire anyone ELSE they want to, after the new Congress totally de-funds them.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-8342023723556084782010-10-21T10:29:14.635-04:002010-10-21T10:29:14.635-04:00At the same time we are drowning in debt and looki...At the same time we are drowning in debt and looking at potentially a decade of reduced real income and revenue we are paying the salaries of these kinds of fools at NPR and PBS.<br /><br />Remember in November and ALWAYS!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977915511676816169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-80512992138175485662010-10-21T09:52:04.738-04:002010-10-21T09:52:04.738-04:00"In my view, Williams has lacked credibility ...<em>"In my view, Williams has lacked credibility for years. He's a conservative who pretends to be progressive on some issues. <strong>NPR has known this and struggled with it for a long time, yet they kept him on,</strong> demoting him from journalist to "analyst" (i.e. pundit.) Good for NPR for finally getting rid of him. Better late than never."</em><br /><br />This comment seems to validate the view that NPR was intentionally targeting Juan Williams, looking for an excuse to fire him. Is this viewpoint discrimination, or just plain bigoted racist prejudice?<br /><br />I am not a fan of Juan Williams, and rarely if ever agree with him. However, I will defend his right to speak his opinion <strong>as an opinion commentator/journalist and "pundit"</strong> as his first amendment right (both his freedom of speech and the freedom of the press to express a viewpoint) for as long as this country is free.<br /><br />NPR is a disgrace. They, along with PBS, need to be defunded and eliminated from our government coffers altogether. Why does the government need a public-funded propaganda machine, which is all PBS and NPR are? Hmmmm?DINORightMariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01067345219054999889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-987276445831030822010-10-21T09:24:56.305-04:002010-10-21T09:24:56.305-04:00In other words...Williams tried to provide a "...In other words...Williams tried to provide a "teachable moment", tried to open up a "dialog" on stereotypes by recognizing and admitting his own shortcomings with regard to same...and the left struck him down for it.<br /><br />The left has no interest in coexistence, no interest in a live-and-let-live philosophy, and no tolerance for anyone who steps outside their orthodoxy.<br /><br />Even at the local level...among family, friends, and co-workers, there is nothing to be gained by discussing anything other than the weather (general observations only...don't mention 'climate') and sports.Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05969165050852281666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-79524952458453195332010-10-21T09:23:52.781-04:002010-10-21T09:23:52.781-04:00De fund NPR Feb 2011- cut them off and let them ch...De fund NPR Feb 2011- cut them off and let them choke in the marketplace like Air America.<br /><br />And NPR was right when they saw the TEA Party as a mortal threat... we are. And Congress will be hounded relentlessly until we're not longer paying for this little Psy-Op ministryReaganite Independenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17538767328058148689noreply@blogger.com