tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post808671166503328813..comments2023-10-24T11:23:31.580-04:00Comments on Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion: When Bush Was President, Secession Talk Was CoolWilliam A. Jacobsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16433685588536441422noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-1284247858817875182009-05-02T15:03:00.000-04:002009-05-02T15:03:00.000-04:00Dr. Jacobson,
I am a Texan by birth and I thought...Dr. Jacobson,<br /><br />I am a Texan by birth and I thought you might find my thoughts on secession interesting. <br /><br />Best Regards,<br />Nathan ZimmermannNJZimmermannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17472021826347943575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-34653280998737094192009-04-18T22:15:00.000-04:002009-04-18T22:15:00.000-04:00"you can’t fucking read what I said"
Well, I can...."you can’t fucking read what I said"<br /><br />Well, I can. I'm reading a rant from someone who can't get a point across without a profanity in every other sentence. Of course, I find this utterly charming and am now completely swayed to your point of view.Jeff Fariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12311004609431680032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-57970586958292296372009-04-18T22:12:00.000-04:002009-04-18T22:12:00.000-04:00When Bush was reelected, the left sent along an em...When Bush was reelected, the left sent along an email suggesting that all the truly 'intelligent people' who were the backbone of the US and did not vote for Bush (i.e., them) should leave the country. Just to teach the Right a lesson, you know. How surprised should anyone be to hear them singing a different tune today? Not at all.Jeff Fariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12311004609431680032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-34021327732359195102009-04-17T16:35:00.000-04:002009-04-17T16:35:00.000-04:00"That to secure these rights, Governments are inst..."That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"<br /><br />and<br /><br />"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."<br /><br />It would appear that many people, like I do, think we have reached the "destructive of those ends" point.reinkefjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14629246056431046851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-15958112123555113502009-04-17T01:11:00.000-04:002009-04-17T01:11:00.000-04:00In all due respect to the socialists running out g...In all due respect to the socialists running out government, Secession is just as much American as Hot Dogs, Apple Pie, and Chevrolet. They need to be briefed on American History: This would not have been a UNITED States had it not been for Secession. These types of comments should say a lot about those running what use to be OUR Country.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07301261300917209497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-6508823500615503712009-04-17T00:03:00.000-04:002009-04-17T00:03:00.000-04:00What I find astonishing, (and maybe you can commen...What I find astonishing, (and maybe you can comment on this Mad River Yakker) is why Vermont screams for secession because they want a "decentralized" government, but then keeps voting ultra left wing socialists to Congress. Unless I'm missing something, the socialists in this country such as Bernie Sanders want nothing more than to centralize power in Washington. The phenomenal growth of the government advocated for by every socialist/liberal in this country does nothing but give Washington a stranglehold on the this country. Vermont, do you support the party that is for states rights? Do you support the candidates that appoint judges for states rights? Did you support the party that had the elimination of the department of education as part of its platform (so as to return it to local control)? <br /><br />To be fair, the Republican party has strayed far from its conservative states' rights roots, but we are trying to return it there with movements such as the Tea Parties. Until Vermont actually backs up their talk of secession by voting for politicians who respect state's rights and want to shrink Washington rather than grow it, the rest of the country will see their talk of secession as nothing more than having a hissy fit because they haven't gotten their socialist way. <br /><br />Finally, to address hypocriticalness: <br /><br />Big Government Socialists wanting to secede because they haven't had success trying to subjugate the capitalists in the country under their control is hypocritical<br /><br />Socialists who want to force unwilling capitalists to fund socialized health care and then advocate decentralization are hypocritical<br /><br />Small government conservatives and libertarians who just want to be left alone by the government talking of seceding because they are being economically oppressed by the government is not hypocritical.<br /><br />Small government states rights advocates who want decentralized government who talk of seceding because of the growing threat of a dangerously powerful centralized government is not hyporcritical.<br /><br />Also, Tas: quoting someone accurately and attributing the source to them is the opposite of plagiarism. If you don't know what a word means you can find help at www.dictionary.com<br /><br />And also you are right if you are implying that the Huffington Post should be categorized as the lunatic fringe, however, the mainstream media treats it like a legitimate news organization. Unfortunately, you cant distinguish the radical fringe on the left from the mainstream media or Democrat politicians any longer. So your point rings hollow.The Commissionerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17077338326149936853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-7127214381185474562009-04-16T21:38:00.000-04:002009-04-16T21:38:00.000-04:00As the editor and publisher of Vermont Commons: Vo...As the editor and publisher of Vermont Commons: Voices Of Independence, our once and future republic's only statewide newspaper, I confess to being a bit puzzled by this "debate."<br /><br />No one up here I know who supported nonviolent secession during the 8 years of the Bush/Cheney regime is any less fervent about supporting nonviolent secession in the Age of Obama.<br /><br />We're not Left, and we're not Right (whatever those two terms mean grows increasinly unclear).<br /><br />What we ARE are folks committed to economic relocalization and political decentralization.<br /><br />Free Vermont, and long live the UNtied States.Phineas Gagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197795671603187635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-61297000719584447662009-04-16T14:46:00.000-04:002009-04-16T14:46:00.000-04:00So sorry tas and UberMitch, but nobody seems to kn...So sorry tas and UberMitch, but nobody seems to know what you're yelling about-- at least I don't. <br /><br />It seems that the point of Jacobson's post is that the Left only has a problem with talk of secession when it's a Repubican or Right-winger that can be accused of it. <br /><br />Perry stated "We got a great Union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it." Yet the Left call him treasonous and reduces his Left-assigned secessionist view to that of lunatics, freak-show conservatives and psychotics. However, when certain people in Vermont start making noises about secession during Bush's presidency, then it gets described in rather hopeful and glowing terms... certainly not with the same profanity-laced venom mixed among accusations of treason. <br /><br />And this isn't leftist hypocricy... somehow.yukio ngabyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13132998741555231924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-1713737668683082972009-04-16T13:45:00.000-04:002009-04-16T13:45:00.000-04:00I think we live in bizzaro world when people go on...I think we live in bizzaro world when people go on rants because they were quoted accurately. If quoting someone accurately is "putting words" in his mouth, then I guess I am guilty. And if quoting someone accurately means being a Republican, then I guess I am one. Does that mean that quoting some inaccurately makes one a Democrat?William A. Jacobsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16433685588536441422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-24944173704781013082009-04-16T13:27:00.000-04:002009-04-16T13:27:00.000-04:00Thanks for accusing me of hypocrisy by ranting abo...Thanks for accusing me of hypocrisy by ranting about crazy secessionists in Vermont. Apparently, even though you quoted me, you can’t fucking read what I said. To repeat myself: <br /><br /><I>When some wingnut loonbags on the internet talk about secession, that’s one thing — one thing to generally be laughed at, ridiculed, and summarily ignored. But when these statements are made by a Republican governor, against a president who hasn’t been in office for four fucking months, that’s something completely different. This is just psychotic.</I>Apples, meet oranges. As I stated quite clearly, when wingnut loonbags — or people who are essentially political nobodys — talk about secession, that’s one thing. <B>But when a sitting governor talks about it, it’s completely fucking different.</B> The former is the lunatic fringe, and the latter is the lunatic fringe going mainstream.<br /><br />Nothing pisses me off more then people who can’t be bothered to place a modicum of critical thought into what they read, then place words in my mouth. In academia, this kind of misattribution is called plagiarism. In blogtopia, it’s apparently called being a Republican.tashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14296761263276891805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-20633712774086274422009-04-16T13:04:00.000-04:002009-04-16T13:04:00.000-04:00As regards Texas, specifically, you should be awar...As regards Texas, specifically, you should be aware that Governor Perry is following the Miles Vorkosigan Theory of Leadership -- if you see a parade, grab a baton and get out front. Secessionist sentiment, which is <B>by no means universal or even as strong as Vermont's</B>, is found in the Legislature, and because of the peculiar structure of Texas Government, the Governor is pretty well obliged to at least placate the Lege in order to maintain his position.<br /><br />At that, an honest plebescite would be a squeaker at the moment.<br /><br />Regards,<br />RicRic Lockehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08937543097881679980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-83231799020146720242009-04-16T11:09:00.000-04:002009-04-16T11:09:00.000-04:00I have addressed your point in an update to the po...I have addressed your point in an update to the post.William A. Jacobsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16433685588536441422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-21020506905262828012009-04-16T10:46:00.000-04:002009-04-16T10:46:00.000-04:00Wow! You sure pwned those liburls! I completely ...Wow! You sure pwned those liburls! I <I>completely agree</I> with you that comments made by fringe groups and anonymous internet chatter are <I>directly equivalent</I> to public statements made by the sitting governor of a state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com