tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post7317750006535612500..comments2023-10-24T11:23:31.580-04:00Comments on Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion: 50-State Union Protest Falls Far Short Of Predicted TurnoutWilliam A. Jacobsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16433685588536441422noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-30981096312668256492011-02-28T12:42:11.638-05:002011-02-28T12:42:11.638-05:00@William Teach
We had a photo from the roof of th...@William Teach<br /><br />We had a photo from the roof of the building directly in front of the protest in Raleigh, counted 335 pro union supporters and 44 anti.Tylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05220131370371732697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-38954104448262827842011-02-27T21:26:14.489-05:002011-02-27T21:26:14.489-05:00when is the last time you saw a media news story a...<i>when is the last time you saw a media news story about union corruption?</i><br /><br />When is the last time you actually bothered to look? Try this search:<br /><br />http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anytimes.com+union+corruption<br /><br />It returns 16,200 results. Sorry to burst your bubble.jukeboxgradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925073148336719912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-50977317779254654162011-02-27T20:33:09.915-05:002011-02-27T20:33:09.915-05:00Most folks don't realize how heavily unionized...Most folks don't realize how heavily unionized the media is. So all the pieces fit the puzzle: the media are mostly Democrat, Democrats support unions, much of the media belong to unions, hence, biased media coverage of unions. Just ask yourself when is the last time you saw a media news story about union corruption? crickets chirping.......Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06419895525316183343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-89480679460306562362011-02-27T20:11:52.086-05:002011-02-27T20:11:52.086-05:00And as jukeboxgrad watered the astroturf lawn with...And as jukeboxgrad watered the astroturf lawn with liquid Miracle-Gro, his buddy timb went around back to check on the coffee party seedlings. He fondly recalled the day they planted the seeds ... how so many journalists had arrived like buzzing bees intent on pollination. He could almost smell the coffee beans. But timb's heart stopped as he stepped into the backyard. The coffee party seedlings were all dead.<br /><br />"Jukeboxgrad!! Come here!! Now!!" he cried. Juke was also devastated. He didn't tell timb that he hadn't bothered to water them. His neighbor never had to water his tea plants!! They peered over the fence into Neighbor Bill's backyard. That fence. The two had tried to get the community outraged over Bill putting up that simple fence, keeping them out of Bill's backyard. "Why are Bill's tea plants growing faster than weeds?" Juke demanded. "Those aren't tea plants!" timb shot back. "Those are Creeping Jews! Named for the Israeli settlements, you moron!!"<br /><br />Almost simultaneously, Juke and timb glanced at the chainsaw sitting on their back porch. "I was only 10 months away from getting my Certificate of Completion before I quit the "Charles Manson School of Pruning" timb boasted. "Heh heh ... I'll take care of Bill's tea plants. Goodbye, tea plants!!"<br /><br />timb yanked the cord and the chainsaw roared to life. Before he could scream, he realized he was holding the wrong end. <br /><br />"Haha!" Juke laughed. "10 months away?! It was only a 6-month program. And you didn't quit. You flunked out, you moron!!"LukeHandCoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14050153852654024997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-39725390338398111312011-02-27T17:40:23.658-05:002011-02-27T17:40:23.658-05:00The one here in Los Angeles had maybe 1,000 people...The one here in Los Angeles had maybe 1,000 people. I'm not good at estimating crowd size. Here are <a href="http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2011/02/union-protest-in-los-angeles-pictures-update-video-and-link-from-gateway-pundit.html" rel="nofollow">some pictures and a video</a> from it.Blue Collar Toddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06405341351988210669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-39628029232394581362011-02-27T17:08:20.022-05:002011-02-27T17:08:20.022-05:00THANKS FOR POSTING! Another miserable leftist fai...THANKS FOR POSTING! Another miserable leftist failure. Like so many others!<br /><br />We've been all over this issue on Common Cents...<br /><br />http://www.commoncts.blogspot.comcommoncentshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14497825816313122743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-69634957164879145742011-02-27T17:07:43.476-05:002011-02-27T17:07:43.476-05:00Couldn't make it to Frankfort Kentucky yesterd...Couldn't make it to Frankfort Kentucky yesterday as I have been sick but I noticed your reference to Frankfurt here and wanted to offer the correction. :)Wayne Fielderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08109432067512226813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-10318533050267887922011-02-27T16:42:52.115-05:002011-02-27T16:42:52.115-05:00LukeHandCool
Any idea if Tim Phillips and his gr...LukeHandCool <br /><br />Any idea if Tim Phillips and his grassroots Americans for Prosperity is still hanging around Madison? I mean, if you're talking fake populists then you have to be talking about AFP and Freedom Works, right?<br /><br />Meanwhile, Professor Jacobson, you listed Chicago twice. I imagine you might want to correct that.timbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11840503196010960235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-68506070760896161952011-02-27T15:42:16.709-05:002011-02-27T15:42:16.709-05:00Lets see if it was only 'dozens' showing u...Lets see if it was only 'dozens' showing up at the Beck rally or '89,000' then what we saw today, across the Nation, was definitely in the 'tens' sort of range and maybe even close to '89,000' able to drag themselves out to their own State Capitols...<br /><br />In other words: pathetic.A Jacksonianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07607888697879327120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-71974068381127222002011-02-27T13:01:00.866-05:002011-02-27T13:01:00.866-05:00So in the end roughly 299,500,000 or so Americans ...So in the end roughly 299,500,000 or so Americans spent their time Saturday either opposed to or uninterested in attending these rallies.<br /><br />The unions and minorities want to dominate the MSM and the MSM obliges. I'm so sick of the view, it's boring and corrupt. <br /><br />Obama is narrow. Multiculturalism is dead and The country is tiring of the crybabies.Theresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07956024937374267943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-53481755833484015332011-02-27T12:58:33.341-05:002011-02-27T12:58:33.341-05:00A whole 300 showed up at the Capitol Building in S...A whole 300 showed up at the Capitol Building in Salt Lake City, Utah. The snow may have had some impact, but it can't be that much.Jesse Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468928702710912142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-63900357812130264232011-02-27T12:27:58.056-05:002011-02-27T12:27:58.056-05:00@jukeboxgrad
I know it must be frustrating when y...@jukeboxgrad<br /><br />I know it must be frustrating when you spray the Miracle-Gro again and again and wait and wait and wait ... and you look on the other side of the fence and see your neighbor's grass--it's much greener and growing before you very eyes.<br /><br />Here's 20,000 kid. And a thick slab of astroturf to lay on top of your other one. Now, scram. Install it before he comes outside. Turn on the hose and smile and nonchalantly say, "Look. Catchin' up to you, Bill."LukeHandCoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14050153852654024997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-27249720820907026522011-02-27T11:09:03.863-05:002011-02-27T11:09:03.863-05:00Yeah well, you guys just wait until we see reports...Yeah well, you guys just wait until we see reports from the 5 or 6 states. It could be in the millions..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-56839688764385588322011-02-27T09:42:41.102-05:002011-02-27T09:42:41.102-05:00Mickey Mantle Day. I'm giving away my age. Whe...Mickey Mantle Day. I'm giving away my age. When I was in college (in NYC in the 60s) I went to thousands of protest marches. Eventually I developed my own criterion for whether a protest was a success: Mickey Mantle Day.<br /><br />Attendance at Mickey Mantle Day at Yankee Stadium was from 50,000 on up. That means that at least 50,000 people in NYC thought this is an event worth going to. Sports icons fill seats.<br /><br />Apparently all the protests put together all over the US produced an attendance worth two Mickey Mantle Days. A good football game or stock car race brings out more bodies than yesterday's pro-union rallies. What if someone gave a protest march and everyone was busy watching Mickey Mantle reruns?Nooyawkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15239991952397397463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-86834652916837446532011-02-27T08:27:08.974-05:002011-02-27T08:27:08.974-05:00You've made the top of the page over at Memeor...You've made the top of the page over at Memeorandum with this report Bill. @8:25estjakee308https://www.blogger.com/profile/14427624618950767788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-87387283353010266412011-02-27T08:24:39.116-05:002011-02-27T08:24:39.116-05:0020,000 isn't even big enough to constitute a d...<i>20,000 isn't even big enough to constitute a discernible rounding error when you're expecting over a million.</i><br /><br />Nichols making an incorrect prediction* and Jacobson misrepresenting what his own source said about the crowd in Madison are two separate issues. You seem to think that the former somehow excuses the latter. Maybe you could explain how that makes sense.<br /><br />(* Contrary to what Jacobson said, Dayen did not make a prediction; he cited a prediction made by someone else.)<br /><br />What you're saying also makes no sense because no one was "expecting over a million" in Madison. Translating "definitely more than" 70,000 into "50-70,000" is indeed something much larger than "a discernible rounding error."<br /><br /><i>The email I received from Move On was bragging about having 30,000 people pledged to show up in 66 cities.</i><br /><br />Jacobson said this: "total protesters nationwide (excluding Madison) likely totaled under 100,000 combined." Sounds like the turnout was better than expected. Jacobson should correct his headline (unless "far short of" 30,000 is now defined as "under 100,000" ).jukeboxgradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925073148336719912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-10778085593516788572011-02-27T07:39:38.209-05:002011-02-27T07:39:38.209-05:00Yes, the infamous astro-turf that Pee-loosely hila...Yes, the infamous astro-turf that Pee-loosely hilariously accused the Tea Party crowd---of being paid-for shills---demonstrates that MoveOn isdead on the vine.<br /><br />Sure, you can bus in layabouts and slackers and useless union head-lice from all over the country to Madison for photo-ops, but the astro-turf is entirely visible in the breathless lunacy of the MoveOn cadres.dave in bocahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10164227301361227792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-18669625954990479152011-02-27T03:08:52.025-05:002011-02-27T03:08:52.025-05:00The email I received from Move On was bragging abo...The email I received from Move On was bragging about having 30,000 people pledged to show up in 66 cities. This was their example of the energy "exploding" around this issue.Mike aka Proofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08931553845065187278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-3919827532652885432011-02-27T03:01:32.654-05:002011-02-27T03:01:32.654-05:00I hadn't heard a prediction,in terms of number...I hadn't heard a prediction,in terms of numbers,but I went to the one in Albany,NY.<br />For something that was arranged in a couple days,in the middle of the winter on a Sat afternoon I thought it was a good turnout-500-- or so I'm no crowd counter. <br />It was a good show of support for the union in Wisconsin.Admittedly a little coffee would have been nice. <br />http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Wisconsin-debate-spurs-Albany-rally-1031872.phpalbanynyguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15354304049037568415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-19554623087548377842011-02-27T02:08:28.492-05:002011-02-27T02:08:28.492-05:0020,000 isn't even big enough to constitute a d...20,000 isn't even big enough to constitute a discernible rounding error when you're expecting over a million.LukeHandCoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14050153852654024997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-62561921701682359082011-02-27T02:07:33.093-05:002011-02-27T02:07:33.093-05:00I have corrected to reflect the "over 70,000&...<i>I have corrected to reflect the "over 70,000" unofficial estimate</i><br /><br />Thanks for the correction.<br /><br /><i>I acknowledged the 70,000 number</i><br /><br />Your post originally said "estimates ranging from 50-70,000." That does not translate into "acknowledged the 70,000 number." Those two things ("50-70,000" and "70,000") are not interchangeable.<br /><br />And even if you had "acknowledged the 70,000 number," that would have been incorrect, because, as far as I know, no one has estimated the Wisconsin crowd as 70,000. According to your own link, the police said the crowd was "definitely more than" 70,000. Those two things ("70,000" and "definitely more than" 70,000) are also not interchangeable.<br /><br />And I also don't understand why you think a police statement is fairly described as "unofficial."<br /><br /><i>Perhaps you now could contact NYT and AP to correct their stories to accurately reflect the embarrassingly low numbers nationwide.</i><br /><br />Perhaps you now could indicate the exact statements in those stories which were not "correct."<br /><br /><i>The headlines talk about protests around the country</i><br /><br />That's because there were indeed "protests around the country."<br /><br />And I just noticed that you said this:<br /><br /><i>which included protesters bused in from other states</i><br /><br />The link you cited doesn't support the plural. It's about Rockford IL, which is 67 miles from Madison. One other state is not accurately described as "other states."<br /><br /><i>has no idea of how to manage a thought that isn't given to him by others</i><br /><br />Understanding that "definitely more than" 70,000 does not mean the same thing as "50-70,000" is something I was able to figure out on my own. If you don't know how I was able to do that, just speak up and I'll try to explain it to you.jukeboxgradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925073148336719912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-662073256652355462011-02-27T01:48:41.393-05:002011-02-27T01:48:41.393-05:00Oh. And in Lansing, MI the public unions have a r...Oh. And in Lansing, MI the public unions have a really good reason [for them] to turn out. However, the local tv news claiming "thousands" of protesters had to resort to tight angle shots and closeups of a meandering crowd march to make it look like any more than few hundred.JorgXMcKiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509568525555189690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-47261482062630212592011-02-27T01:46:52.852-05:002011-02-27T01:46:52.852-05:00jukeboxgrad undoubtedly graduated from a highly un...jukeboxgrad undoubtedly graduated from a highly unionized high school and has no idea of how to manage a thought that isn't given to him by others.JorgXMcKiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509568525555189690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-42014697949088436072011-02-27T01:13:01.288-05:002011-02-27T01:13:01.288-05:00@jukeboxgrad - I saw lower estimates earlier in th...@jukeboxgrad - I saw lower estimates earlier in the day, but can't find the link, so I have corrected to reflect the "over 70,000" unofficial estimate (it's immaterial to my post, because I acknowledged the 70,000 number and did not dispute that there was a large crowd in Madison itself.) Perhaps you now could contact NYT and AP to correct their stories to accurately reflect the embarrassingly low numbers nationwide.William A. Jacobsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16433685588536441422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-17258813664706883422011-02-27T00:47:25.490-05:002011-02-27T00:47:25.490-05:00You said this:
The turnout in Madison was sizable...You said this:<br /><br /><i>The turnout in Madison was sizable, with estimates ranging from 50-70,000</i><br /><br />To support your claim ("50-70,000"), you provided this link:<br /><br />http://www.fox21online.com/news/madison-police-estimate-biggest-crowd-yet<br /><br />Here's what that article actually says:<br /><br /><i>A police spokesman didn't have a firm estimate for the size of Saturday's crowd but says it's definitely more than the roughly 70,000 people who converged on the Capitol last Saturday.</i><br /><br />How does "definitely more than" 70,000 translate into "50-70,000?" I haven't checked your other links. Are they based on the same kind of math?<br /><br /><i>This is your biased MSM in action.</i><br /><br />If translating "definitely more than" 70,000 into "50-70,000" isn't "biased," can you think of a better word?jukeboxgradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925073148336719912noreply@blogger.com