tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post6014625869252787568..comments2023-10-24T11:23:31.580-04:00Comments on Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion: More Police Insurrection In MadisonWilliam A. Jacobsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16433685588536441422noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-19333551499129084882011-03-03T17:27:56.739-05:002011-03-03T17:27:56.739-05:00TMLutas:
I agree with you completely, and I think...TMLutas:<br /><br />I agree with you completely, and I think that would have been an outstanding question.<br /><br />One thing I've realized from watching the footage of the protest is that these protestors really dont understand Democracy. Look at how they berate Sen Grothman to 'explain himself.' For some reason I doubt that many of them live in Senator Gothman's District 20, and its really only the to members of District 20 that the Senator is responsible. Trying to convince a Senator from another district that he is beholden to your needs is well... thugery.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11904791827959032584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-24827307220453386862011-03-03T13:24:07.836-05:002011-03-03T13:24:07.836-05:00I would have loved to have been a reporter in the ...I would have loved to have been a reporter in the room at the time. I would have asked, just to be straight, "Sheriff Mahoney, whose palace is it that you're refusing to guard?" The answer is, of course, that it is the palace of the people of the state of Wisconsin, the place set for the Legislature to act on the business of the people. If you say you're not willing to guard that, then what's worth guarding? <br /><br />This elected official is playing around with the delegitimization of the government he is sworn to defend. It's just another variant of the phony Mubarak attack, as if the capitol is like some lush palace where the corrupt dictator's cronies hang out.TMLutashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12033938954514865135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-15763426387631153232011-03-03T11:56:57.098-05:002011-03-03T11:56:57.098-05:00I fear this entire affair is moving in a direction...I fear this entire affair is moving in a direction that may precipitate violence. Clearly, the WI Democratic law makers have abdicated their responsibility and are failing to respect the democratic process. The police are now no longer acting in the best interests of the public, but instead, are acting in their own (political/economic) interests. We also have demonstrators that are getting more and more aggressive by the day. <br /><br />Who will be surprised of someone eventually says to themselves:<br />a) the law makers aren’t acting in accordance with the law<br />b) the police aren’t acting in accordance with the law <br />c) the demonstrators are all but violating the law.<br />therefore, I will take the law into my own hands.John Garganohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03353874026632744620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-88247303199224672322011-03-03T02:29:53.527-05:002011-03-03T02:29:53.527-05:00Everyone left out one thing:
MAHONEY IS A DEMOCRA...Everyone left out one thing:<br /><br />MAHONEY IS A DEMOCRAT!!!<br /><br />Enough said.jakee308https://www.blogger.com/profile/14427624618950767788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-43463080419622873642011-03-02T20:36:04.369-05:002011-03-02T20:36:04.369-05:00Here is a retired police officer that seems to agr...Here is a retired police officer that seems to agree that the Police are acting out of line. <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBAG5oa4ZkcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-16944367823563009682011-03-02T18:04:40.395-05:002011-03-02T18:04:40.395-05:00Call out the national guard.
"The Wisconsin...Call out the national guard. <br /><br />"The Wisconsin Constitution designates the governor as the commander-in-chief of the Wisconsin National Guard. The department is directed by the adjutant general, who is appointed by the governor for a -year term and may serve successive terms. The adjutant general must be an officer actively serving in the Army or Air National Guard of Wisconsin who has attained at least the rank of colonel and is fully qualified to hold the rank of major general in either the Army or Air National Guard. The governor also appoints the administrator of Wisconsin Emergency Management." <br /><br /><a href="http://dma.wi.gov/dma/dma/default.asp" rel="nofollow">The Wisconsin Department of Military Affairs</a>viatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09210255358385745222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-31263643716357434082011-03-02T17:08:50.800-05:002011-03-02T17:08:50.800-05:00More information that may be relevant.
http://www...More information that may be relevant.<br /><br />http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/117266223.html<br /><br />"Huebsch says he's signed more than 35 agreements with police agencies around the state to help cover the protests. He doesn't know the total number of officers used, but it's ranged from 160 to 400 at peak times."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-53961137521098070702011-03-02T16:49:58.402-05:002011-03-02T16:49:58.402-05:00Perhaps this is a budget/manpower/juridsdiction ba...Perhaps this is a budget/manpower/juridsdiction battle? I am assuming there is a difference between the State Capital Police and the Dane County Sherriff responsibilities. But, feel free to correct my potential ignorance.<br /><br />It appears the Capitol just needs more manpower due to the circumstances. And the Sherrif may find his obligations exceed his ability to meet the demands. Sure, poltical stress has to be a factor as well. He's playing with fire if he crossed any lines though. <br /><br />http://www.doa.state.wi.us/section.asp?linkid=76&locid=163Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-49559186616762644382011-03-02T12:23:58.414-05:002011-03-02T12:23:58.414-05:00Can't be palace guards, but have no problem wi...Can't be palace guards, but have no problem with being sporting event guards? In fact, in many cases, insist upon it. <br /><br />I don't know specifically Dane county WI, but in many, many locales the local law enforcement insists that they be present at large gatherings, such as college and high school football / basketball games.Lorenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07920825444735982610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-34967304183432370582011-03-02T12:19:08.583-05:002011-03-02T12:19:08.583-05:00From Wisconsin State Statute:
17.11 Suspension of...From Wisconsin State Statute:<br /><br />17.11 Suspension of district attorney or sheriff. (1) If<br />any district attorney or sheriff is arrested for or charged with any<br />offense against the laws of this state, or if the governor is credibly<br />informed that any district attorney or sheriff is guilty of any<br />offense against the laws of this state, or that proceedings are pending before any court or officer involving any criminal charge<br />against any district attorney or sheriff, <b>or that any district attorney<br />or sheriff willfully neglects or refuses to perform that district attorney’s or sheriff’s duties,</b> the governor shall in the case of a felony<br />and may in the case of a misdemeanor suspend the district attorney<br />or sheriff from office until the charge shall be investigated and<br />finally determined. The governor shall, in the case of the district<br />attorney, appoint the attorney general or one of the attorney general’s assistants or some competent attorney of the state, and the<br />governor shall, in the case of the sheriff, appoint a suitable person,<br />to discharge the duties of the affected office during the suspension.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11904791827959032584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-46912451079408817452011-03-02T12:05:47.989-05:002011-03-02T12:05:47.989-05:00Linked with a video roundup: 'Mobs and Slobs T...Linked with a video roundup: <a href="http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/mobs-and-slobs-turn-madison-into.html" rel="nofollow">'Mobs and Slobs Turn Madison Into Progressive Pigsty'</a>.AmPowerBloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18236333181889271910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-53356262083817151942011-03-02T11:58:52.974-05:002011-03-02T11:58:52.974-05:00Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-47500015880069821362011-03-02T11:31:31.239-05:002011-03-02T11:31:31.239-05:00Absent a specific court order directing him to do ...Absent a specific court order directing him to do something, he only has a general duty to keep the peace. The legislature isn't directly in charge of him, so he might be within his rights. That's not saying he wasn't stupid. IMO he was. <br /><br />He proved again how wrong it is for sworn officers to belong to a competing interest - a union. He seems to have about the same level of strategic intelligence as the dimwit wearing the county star in Tuscon. G-d save us from politician sheriffs who aren't men enough to be cops.49erDweethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09386245801517422226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-55422120743415602522011-03-02T11:30:58.788-05:002011-03-02T11:30:58.788-05:00So the police take sides based on politics. Now no...So the police take sides based on politics. Now no one is guarding the people's government's property. There are other elements within our society who are not party to the current disagreement who would nonetheless love to take advantage of this opportunity to create chaos by say, torching or blowing up the capitol building. Did anyone think of that? <br /><br />The decision to exempt police and fire fighters from the governor's plans to scale back union power in government needs to be reconsidered. Our civil service needs to be non-partisan. What ever happened to the Hatch Act?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-63231675383099377062011-03-02T11:30:29.150-05:002011-03-02T11:30:29.150-05:00"When asked to stand guard at the doors that ..."When asked to stand guard at the doors that duty was turned over to the Wisconsin State Patrol because our deputies would not stand and be palace guards," Mahoney said. "I refused to put deputy sheriffs in a position to be palace guards."<br /><br />An absolutely terrible and dishonorable thing to say. You can't refuse an order because you disagree with it or because you think it is 'below' your station. You can only refuse an order if it was illegal. He's not even trying to make the case the order was illegal.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11904791827959032584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-5882714601303903182011-03-02T11:07:11.009-05:002011-03-02T11:07:11.009-05:00Maybe he can't be fired, but can't he be i...Maybe he can't be fired, but can't he be impeached (or whatever the correct term would be)?LukeHandCoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14050153852654024997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-73360990779735737882011-03-02T10:50:27.135-05:002011-03-02T10:50:27.135-05:00In Florida there are several law enforcement agenc...In Florida there are several law enforcement agencies whose chain of command ends with the governor. Are there no state law enforcement officers in Wisconsin who must follow the governors orders or be fired?Estevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11032384121568804607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-16176706327757055152011-03-02T10:28:05.778-05:002011-03-02T10:28:05.778-05:00The Legislature should file for a writ of mandamus...The Legislature should file for a writ of mandamus if the sheriff has a legal obligation to provide security for the capital building.S. Roosevelthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15433288666430208919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-53866784275983352792011-03-02T10:24:56.056-05:002011-03-02T10:24:56.056-05:00Mahoney's background includes Police Union lea...Mahoney's background includes Police Union leadership positions.<br /><br />This is beginning to shape up as a "Dane County/Madison" VS. "State of Wisconsin Majority-voters" battle. I spend some time in Madison every week. In that County (and the city of Madison), 90++% of the people are State, County, Muni, or UW/other-public-school employees.<br /><br />Thus, Mahoney and the Madison Police Chief--another unreconstructed hippie-leftie--think that their position is "popular" with Wisconsin residents.<br /><br />It's like living on another planet.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-304057256302405912011-03-02T10:09:41.359-05:002011-03-02T10:09:41.359-05:00If what I've read is right, the creation of th...If what I've read is right, the creation of the District of Columbia was prompted by government of Pennsylvania failing to provide satisfactory security for Congress during the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Mutiny_of_1783" rel="nofollow">Pennsylvania Mutiny of 1783</a>.LarryDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10955273945502612268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-59420033747465746392011-03-02T10:05:53.589-05:002011-03-02T10:05:53.589-05:00So, rationalizations aside, protection will be wit...So, rationalizations aside, protection will be withdrawn as long as the elected representatives of the people will not submit to the will of the unions.<br /><br />The longer this goes on the more clear it becomes why public employees should never have been allowed to unionize.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09661635230386879244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-81307098179055099182011-03-02T10:05:40.740-05:002011-03-02T10:05:40.740-05:00Huge mistake on their part. Police and fire have ...Huge mistake on their part. Police and fire have always held a special place in the public imagination and been given special perks to reward their service. I guess if they want to burn all that goodwill up that's up to them but when the public finally has had enough of public unions they will remember which side the police took. If they can't stay above the fray they won't be treated as anything exceptional any longer.Boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923956208093654911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-29909747599074183652011-03-02T10:03:21.932-05:002011-03-02T10:03:21.932-05:00Didn't read the backstory on this, but given t...Didn't read the backstory on this, but given the level of demonstrations and vitriol at the Capitol, one could only but conclude that maintaining a single point of entry into a public building is a matter of responsible security-- for all-- for the State legislature and staff, protesters, and for the building itself. Pro-unionists can pretend they're Miss Manners' sweet nieces all they want as they employ the F word, Hitler analogies and intimidation of a Senator, but it only takes one nut with a gun or bomb to do something incendiary and fatal. <br /><br />Sworn officers of the law who get to pick and choose their lawful orders make the case for 2A arms-bearing citizens better than any NRA lobby.sort of runic rhymehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02110191531105638013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-37967551195408932332011-03-02T09:54:34.404-05:002011-03-02T09:54:34.404-05:00Looks like we need neighborhood watch groups to pa...Looks like we need neighborhood watch groups to patrol the streets, while armed.Lotharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17520386757116958508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-72324997772511555942011-03-02T09:45:19.222-05:002011-03-02T09:45:19.222-05:00Professor, I don't know how Wisconsin law read...Professor, I don't know how Wisconsin law reads, but it seems to me that the Sheriff of Dane County could clearly be viewed as abdicating his oath of office. In my state, if he refused a lawful order, he would be investigated by the Texas Rangers, and if found guilty of not carrying out his responsibilities, he could be removed by executive order.<br /><br />It is my understanding that yesterday a Wisconsin judge ruled that the Capitol @ Madison was to remain open during business hours and when there were any hearings taking place. According to the Wisconsin State Capitol website, the Capitol is "open to the public weekdays between 8:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. and weekends and holidays from 8:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m." <br /><br />The state has clearly outline the times when the Capitol is open to the public, and the judge has said "during business hours" and when "hearings were taking place", so the police should be required to clean that rat's nest out at night. Also, I would think that taping signs to the walls of the Capitol could be considered "littering" and those who do could also be removed, along with the litter.<br /><br />This is a clear example of why police should not belong to a public sector union. It is clear that Sheriff Mahoney, and his deputies, hold their loyalty to their union, and not to the people of their county.<br /><br />The longer this goes on, the more desparate the protesters will become. They are not getting the results they wanted as quickly as they thought they would. The majority of Wisconsinites are going to work, continuing to pay their taxes, trying to figure out a way to take care of their children. Instead of being able to do that, they now have to content with a bunch of bused in petulant children union goons.<br /><br />I hope that when this is all over, Governor Walker publishes pictures of the Capitol, telling the citizens of Wisconsin how much it will cost them to clean up after the squatters. Nothing like being slapped with a bill for someone else's actions to let a little reality set in.retire05https://www.blogger.com/profile/04192090871824415437noreply@blogger.com