tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post5343747465751079055..comments2023-10-24T11:23:31.580-04:00Comments on Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion: The False Narrative Of Tea Party Violence Attempts SuicideWilliam A. Jacobsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16433685588536441422noreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-59617469646846728692011-01-17T11:36:22.622-05:002011-01-17T11:36:22.622-05:00"His dispute with Gabby Giffords (which was o..."His dispute with Gabby Giffords (which was obviously one spinning in his own mind) reportedly goes all the way back to 2007, before any of us gave any consideration to Sarah Palin as a national political figure."<br /><br />Yup, and he didn't shoot her untla *after* Palin became a national figure, accused the President of being a terrorist, and the government setting up Death Panels.<br /><br />Obviously these are all absurd ranting of a nutjbo. Right? Cetrtainly not mainstream conservative thought coming from the VP nominee and not some ranting crazy man.<br /><br />"Your argument is nothing but a classic attempt at scapegoating -- which I would remind you is a style of argument that has been associated with some of the ugliest and vilest chapters in all of human history. "<br /><br />Indeed. I watche dit happen in 2003, when we invaded a country that hadn't attacked us and wasn't a threat, largely because of fear that vilolent political rhetoric directed against the U.S. would lead to violent action.<br /><br />"Robot Pirate Ninja, let's stop playing word games. Do you believe that Jared Loughner's shooting spree was caused by Sarah Palin's innocuous map or not?"<br /><br />I never said caused. You people have. It's been your constant strawman. Do I think Loughner (and the other violent nuts who have targeted the government in the last two years) are influenced by the political rhetoric? Hell yes. I've spent time with people like that. They hear the voices and read between the lines, but they still see the news, and the advertisements. There is no way Loughner wasn't touched by the rhetoric in close, nasty, compaign that Giffords won against hardcore Teabagger.<br /><br />Palin, et al, *know* they have to tone it down now, too, hence the gun-washing that her, Beck and Limbaugh are all doing (all three have removed gun-themed rhetoric from their websites in the last week).Robot Pirate Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03642735304356170031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-49203370381210205792011-01-17T06:02:09.570-05:002011-01-17T06:02:09.570-05:00Scooter, How many elected officials were shot in t...Scooter, How many elected officials were shot in the head when Little Bush was the President (remember - the years when we suffered the worst terrorist attack in our history, our economy tanked, and we invaded a country and killed thousands of our own and countless Iraqis)? You can carry on with with your faux Patriot games and mutual tebagging. I will try to work with our system as I did during the dark years of the Little Bush admin. <br /><br />Oh, and by the way, Bush, Cheney, and Rummy should have to answer for their war crimes. I was disappointed when the Obama Admin said it was "off the table" now we have the car "alleged" thief/arsonist Issa wanting to investigate road signs. Unbelievable but so very Teapublican Idiocracy.Timothyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17124068022619709490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-2894731700786778682011-01-15T15:45:17.804-05:002011-01-15T15:45:17.804-05:00Timothy, the vitriol isn't new....shall you co...Timothy, the vitriol isn't new....shall you come to Columbia, SC and let me take you down to the corner of Main and Senate street where the "Kill Bush" posters and the "Wanted: for War Crimes" posters are still visible? They have been there since 2003 which was when you were in what, seventh grade? Scurry along, son....we real men have real work to do, repairing this once great nation.Scooter Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02895247292767105862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-35328530472530093852011-01-15T11:32:51.777-05:002011-01-15T11:32:51.777-05:00@ William A. Jacobson You have been wrong about th...@ William A. Jacobson You have been wrong about the Tuscon shooting by ignoring the facts that the rhetoric on the right, since the Democratic election of Barack Obama has risen to new heights of vitriol and wild conspiracy theories. <br /><br />Did Ann Coulter's constant violent hate speech or Glenn Beck's insane ramblings or Sarah Palin's dog whistle calls to "RELOAD" directly cause an already mentally unstable man to shoot a group of innocent people engaging in a civil discussion about AZ policies and law? No. Obviously. <br /><br />Did they and do they contribute to the gradual acceptance of violence as a reasonable means to an end? <br /><br />Do code words like:<br /><br />-Insurrection<br />-2nd Amendment Remedies<br />-Blood of Tyrants<br />-Don't retreat, instead RELOAD<br />-Usurper<br />-Communist, Marxist, etc., etc., -ist <br /><br />Plant seeds in the minds of the mentally disturbed? YES. <br /><br />For those of you who are unfamiliar with Google. Here is an explanation of Stochastic Terrorism. Common with agitators like Osama Bin Laden, Glenn Beck, and Rush Limbaugh:<br /><br />http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/10/934890/-Stochastic-Terrorism:-Triggering-the-shooters.Timothyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17124068022619709490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-6101596102413756182011-01-15T01:04:37.938-05:002011-01-15T01:04:37.938-05:00Robot Pirate Ninja, let's stop playing word ga...Robot Pirate Ninja, let's stop playing word games. Do you believe that Jared Loughner's shooting spree was caused by Sarah Palin's innocuous map or not? Yes or no. Or are you just making a false correlation for the purposes of propaganda?<br /><br />State your real position.Stogiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05852841950131130696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-563140224852231822011-01-15T00:32:11.336-05:002011-01-15T00:32:11.336-05:00Isn't it amazing how the left went from poo-po...Isn't it amazing how the left went from poo-pooing the idea that, <br /><br />"Guns don't kill people ... people kill people,"<br /><br />to not only embracing it, but going further with,<br /><br />"Guns don't kill people ... people thousands of miles away who have nothing to do with a shooting kill people."LukeHandCoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14050153852654024997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-9508024927900735802011-01-14T22:29:25.463-05:002011-01-14T22:29:25.463-05:00You know point the Left completely misses?
If we ...You know point the Left completely misses?<br /><br />If we were half as violent as jugheads like Robot Pirate Ninja believe, he'd be dead already.<br /><br />Yet, here he is. Posting his spew without a worry in the world. Imagine that.Jim athttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02271099587684174816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-60063862569066009922011-01-14T22:14:43.962-05:002011-01-14T22:14:43.962-05:00@Robot Pirate Ninja
Using your logic, if ANY busin...@Robot Pirate Ninja<br />Using your logic, if ANY businessman, Wall Street executive, or rich person ANYWHERE in the country is a murder victim, it will be directly attributable to President Obama. No one has vilified the business community and rich persons like your beloved President. We won't hold that in our back pocket waiting for a tragedy to happen, unlike liberals. Unfounded allegations to further our political agenda is just not in our reality-based make-up.sybilllhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17188465666054204302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-36043580546102160662011-01-14T19:12:35.204-05:002011-01-14T19:12:35.204-05:00@Robot Pirate Ninja . . . if it was not your poin...@Robot Pirate Ninja . . . if it was not your point, then whose was it? You typed it! I just copied and posted what you submitted.<br /><br />As for your <em>"correction"</em> once again, many thoughtful commentators have pointed out repeatedly that casting political campaign rhetoric in metaphorical "military" terms is something virtually all politicians, consultants and newspaper reporters writing about politics have done for as long as anyone can remember. It is now, and has been common practice for <em>as far back as the memory doth go</em> as they say. <br /><br />Bob Beckel, the former manager of Walter Mondale's 1984 Presidential run, has even recently boasted that he invented such political targeting maps, way back in the 1970s! He has also conceded that he convinced the DNC to take up his idea. <br /><br />And, as I noted above, bogus Accuser-in-Chief, Markos Moulitsas, actually posted a comment in 2008 talking about putting a <b>"bulls eye"</b> on Congresswoman Giffords herself. <br /><br />The attempt here to somehow distinguish that because Markos only used "rhetoric" and Palin used a "map" is not just pathetic . . . it is risible.<br /><br />The point is, @Robot Pirate Ninja, you've lost the argument, first by pretending dishonestly that the "targeting" map was somehow something unique to Sarah Palin, and then by failing (as has everyone else who has tried) to connect Sarah Palin, or her map, in any way whatsoever to the actions and lunacy of Jared Loughner.<br /><br />Your folks lost in November -- for reasons that are very obvious to me, and to most Americans. <br /><br />I believe it's high time for you to get over it and for all of us to get on with the job of debating real issues and helping the country to move forward. That will not happen as long as people like you keep viciously insisting that Sarah Palin, or anyone else, now has blood on their hands, because they somehow "mysteriously" influenced Jared Loughner in any way to commit the unspeakable violent crime that he did. <br /><br />His dispute with Gabby Giffords (which was obviously one spinning in his own mind) reportedly goes all the way back to 2007, before any of us gave any consideration to Sarah Palin as a national political figure.<br /><br />Your argument is nothing but a classic attempt at scapegoating -- which I would remind you is a style of argument that has been associated with some of the ugliest and vilest chapters in all of human history. <br /><br />Reprising such an ugly argument in this context is both shameful and inexcusable.Trochilushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07661310034696479920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-37320276823214374472011-01-14T18:13:37.462-05:002011-01-14T18:13:37.462-05:00Now a stupid old fool named Fuller who was slightl...Now a stupid old fool named Fuller who was slightly injured is out there trying to out-stupid Sheriff Dope-nik. As long as the lamestream media gets any ammunition against Palin, they won't stop shooting.<br /><br />All the while, calling Palin the culprit as their lies and slanders keep on rolling on.dave in bocahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10164227301361227792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-16026863863993053452011-01-14T18:03:41.992-05:002011-01-14T18:03:41.992-05:00"I believe I addressed your "reload"..."I believe I addressed your "reload" logic in a previous post."<br /><br />Yes, indeed. You wrote...<br /><br />"Oh gosh, somebody says "reload", the shooter is stopped when he was reloading, and you make a connection???!!!!! "<br /><br />You did this assuming (wrongly) that it was the entirety of the context of the situaiton and my argument that, given who is was that was actually shot, and who it was that was actually directing people to not retreat, but to reload. Perhaps that person should bear some responsibility for actions that, for all intents and purposes, match up exactly to the rhetoric.<br /><br />Obviously you all feel that no one should be responsible for their public comments except for dirty, commie, liberals.<br /><br />I disagree, and think that when someone is targeted with vicious political rhetoric and then gunned down viciously in public, it's worth taking a look at the correlation.Robot Pirate Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03642735304356170031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-31304461684992425062011-01-14T17:48:07.024-05:002011-01-14T17:48:07.024-05:00@robot: I believe I addressed your "reload&qu...@robot: I believe I addressed your "reload" logic in a previous post. Do you still not undertand? Maybe it contained too many big words. <br /><br />Un-be-liev-a-ble. You probably should add "brainwashed" to you "robot" moniker.<br /><br />But, like other posters have said. carry on!!!! You don't need my help anymore. Making a fool of youself seems to be what you do best.Swibbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18052443298219410074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-18504647259652468142011-01-14T17:42:25.311-05:002011-01-14T17:42:25.311-05:00No, that's not really anthing close to my poin...No, that's not really anthing close to my point. Palin's map [with] the target list and the crosshairs *is* the core of the rhetoric, particularly when it is matched, as it was in reality, with the direct quote "Don't Retreat: Reload".<br /><br />Are things clearer now? Or did I make another typo that you can fixate on? <br /><br />Or are you still so terribly confused?Robot Pirate Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03642735304356170031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-77175518467928430002011-01-14T17:32:00.852-05:002011-01-14T17:32:00.852-05:00@Robot Pirate Ninja now sez, in resonding to me:
...@Robot Pirate Ninja now sez, in resonding to me:<br /><br /><b>"Palin's map will the target list and the crosshais *is* the core of the rhetoric . . ."</b><br /><br />Whew! Sure glad you cleared that one up! <br /><br />Heh!<br /><br />Tell me, do you actually talk like that as well? <br /><br />Is there some sort of grammatical disconnect somewhere? <br /><br />Hey, here's a thought . . . is it possible <em>"someone"</em> is using grammar to control your fingers while you're typing?<br /><br />Nahhhhh . . . that's completely crazy!<br /><br />Anyway, in response to your disingenuously expressed wish that you <em>"[h]ope things are clearer for"</em> me now with respect to understanding your viewpoint . . . the answer is obviously no!<br /><br />But keep plugging away, sport!Trochilushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07661310034696479920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-77909471801876841832011-01-14T17:25:03.568-05:002011-01-14T17:25:03.568-05:00"@robot: So by your "logic", there ..."@robot: So by your "logic", there is only a connection to Obama's comment if the word "knife" appears in the name of the event, yet somehow there is a connection to "crosshairs", even though "crosshairs" doesn't appear in the name of the event?"<br /><br />Again, if you keep trying to stay confused, you can't be surprised when you stay that way.<br /><br />You all missed the bonus question earlier. Let me re-iterate here, so maybe you can get to the core of your confusion...<br /><br />Bonus points! What was Jared Loughner doing when he was finally stopped?<br />a) Reloading.<br />b) Retreating.<br />c) Posting nasty things to Facebook. <br /><br />Double Bonus Points! What was Palin's tweet that she sent out with the map?Robot Pirate Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03642735304356170031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-55077840606943906902011-01-14T17:23:35.739-05:002011-01-14T17:23:35.739-05:00This is the guy!
http://www.brunching.com/smugguy....This is the guy!<br />http://www.brunching.com/smugguy.htmlScooter Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02895247292767105862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-34243178019317755232011-01-14T17:04:47.563-05:002011-01-14T17:04:47.563-05:00@LukeHandCool: LOL. There MUST be something else. ...@LukeHandCool: LOL. There MUST be something else. I'm sure that robot person will find it. Just wait for it...:)Swibbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18052443298219410074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-84044092801018502392011-01-14T17:00:55.966-05:002011-01-14T17:00:55.966-05:00@robot: So by your "logic", there is onl...@robot: So by your "logic", there is only a connection to Obama's comment if the word "knife" appears in the name of the event, yet somehow there is a connection to "crosshairs", even though "crosshairs" doesn't appear in the name of the event?<br /><br />There's nothing I can say that can add to that kind of "logic". Please feel free to continue to make a fool of yourself.Swibbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18052443298219410074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-22066547225986809512011-01-14T16:49:32.012-05:002011-01-14T16:49:32.012-05:00"...ignored the facts in front of [his] face...."...ignored the facts in front of [his] face..."RightKlikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04475874038428195332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-17365809598969994292011-01-14T16:48:33.833-05:002011-01-14T16:48:33.833-05:00@Swibbie
Maps, dogwhistles, dancing ... what else...@Swibbie<br /><br />Maps, dogwhistles, dancing ... what else is in that evil magician's voodoo arsenal that causes lefties to act so looney on her command? Evil gypsey snake woman!LukeHandCoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14050153852654024997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-64275820370471671272011-01-14T16:39:15.042-05:002011-01-14T16:39:15.042-05:00"Not sure what the reference to 1996 has to d..."Not sure what the reference to 1996 has to do with anything."<br /><br />Sorry, I didn't mean to hide it. Here let me take away the parenthesis so can see it..<br /><br />In 1996 a centrist Democratic president won a 2nd term, and continued the longest, strongest economic streak in U.S. history, leaving office with a balanced budget.Robot Pirate Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03642735304356170031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-65466632773585288072011-01-14T16:37:22.663-05:002011-01-14T16:37:22.663-05:00"@robot: Hey, I once heard Obama say bring a ..."@robot: Hey, I once heard Obama say bring a gun to a fight. Seems that the shooter did that. Guess that makes Obama guilty, doesn't it Enstein?"<br /><br />Yes, absolutely, if Giffords event had been billed as a "Knife Fight with Congress" and not as "Congress on your Corner".<br /><br />BTW, this is *the* silliest talking point that Krauthammer/Malin/etc have been putting out.<br /><br />You all seem to think Giffords is at fault because she pulled a knife on the guy, and he brought a gun (like Obama told him to through the mind control device).<br /><br />Is that really your point in bringing this up? That it was Giffords fault for attacking Loughner with a knife?Robot Pirate Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03642735304356170031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-33724533411807524992011-01-14T16:36:10.815-05:002011-01-14T16:36:10.815-05:00@robot: Now you're blaming nasty rhetoric for ...@robot: Now you're blaming nasty rhetoric for the Republican victory in 1994 and the OKC bombing in 1995? It's apparent that you cannot be helped. But feel free to continue to look foolish. It's great entertainment, and your kind of lunacy actually helps our side.<br /><br />Not sure what the reference to 1996 has to do with anything...probably some connection in your drug addled mind that only you can explain.Swibbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18052443298219410074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-66189779020721006072011-01-14T16:24:26.510-05:002011-01-14T16:24:26.510-05:00"So, @Robot Pirate Ninja, you're sayin..."So, @Robot Pirate Ninja, you're sayin' that "violent rhetoric", even that aimed at a specific person, never leads to violence; but somehow "violent maps" do?"<br /><br />No, that's not really anthing close to my point. Palin's map will the target list and the crosshais *is* the core of the rhetoric, particularly when it is matched, as it was in reality, with the direct quote "Don't Retreat: Reload".<br /><br />"Ha ha! I thought you were being sarcastic for a moment, and then I looked at your past comments. You're serious! Ha ha!"<br /><br />Hope things are clearer for you now, although when you try as hard as you have to stay confused, it usually works.<br /><br />"The problem with those of you on the left is that you've concluded, following the huge drubbing you all took in this past election, that you cannot win a campaign given current circumstances."<br /><br />Hrrm, what happened in 1994? (Republican landslide after 2 years of nasty rhetoric)<br /><br />And then in 1995? (anti-government rhetoric finds a crazy to give it life, witness OKC).<br /><br />And then in 1996? (centrist Democratic president wins 2nd term, continues longest, strongest economic streak in history, leaving office with a balanced budget).Robot Pirate Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03642735304356170031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-67744170400986973692011-01-14T16:12:18.344-05:002011-01-14T16:12:18.344-05:00@LukeHandCool: Thanks for that. Made me laugh. Ima...@LukeHandCool: Thanks for that. Made me laugh. Imagine, causing a left-wing wacko to shoot his own TV?? Is there no depth to the evil of Sarah Palin??Swibbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18052443298219410074noreply@blogger.com