tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post4575736372646209205..comments2023-10-24T11:23:31.580-04:00Comments on Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion: Will The Left Apologize To Bolton?William A. Jacobsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16433685588536441422noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-30084399182047965752009-05-28T17:25:24.583-04:002009-05-28T17:25:24.583-04:00You are late, and wrong. Here is what she said un...You are late, and wrong. Here is what she said under her post that Bolton is still crazy: "And yet all of these facts couldn't soothe the nerves of our mustachioed maverick, John Bolton. Get Ready for Another North Korean Nuke Test he hollers at the top of the page."William A. Jacobsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16433685588536441422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-75305475609716993592009-05-28T16:46:07.105-04:002009-05-28T16:46:07.105-04:00Whoa! I'm late to the party--sorry about that. Hey...Whoa! I'm late to the party--sorry about that. Hey! Did any of you fine folks notice that Kilkenny never said Bolton was "crazy" for warning of another N.Korean nuke test? Y kant wingnutz reed?Marmothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748865704276753183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-89928804325565369942009-05-27T19:03:57.783-04:002009-05-27T19:03:57.783-04:00Oldwolves -- you are missing the point of the remo...Oldwolves -- you are missing the point of the removal entirely.<br /><br />Perhaps my rhetoric was a bit much ;)<br /><br />My core point is this, Bolton, at present, is simply an outlier from both liberal and conservative foreign policy views. <br /><br />So, I deliberately meant to be provocative, but I want to engage in a debate (and perhaps learn) why Bolton's views should be U.S. foreign policy considering how isolated he appears to be at present.<br /><br />If Bolton has the correct view on N. Korea, Syrian, Iran and everyone else he suggests aggressive actions toward, then a lot of people owe him an apology. <br /><br />In the interest of actual policy services rendered by Bolton, Bush 43 admins should be the first to apologize. Bolton himself freely acknowledges he lost the policy argument in the Bush 43 admin toward N. Korea (and other states). <br /><br />I removed the word "left" b/c your diatribe is amazingly similar to both liberal and conservative diatribes about Bolton and neoconservative's foreign policy. <br /><br />The removal makes the statement ironically reusable and shows how little critique the statement contained as to why Bolton may be correct. <br /><br />However, I acknowledge that was not your intent.<br /><br />[<br />I'm sorry if I did not make that is not clear -- I meant to push debate on Bolton's policies, not get side-tracked on what I consider to be a strawman about "pure" "right" v. "left" foreign policy views. <br /><br />For example, would it be fair to take Ron Paul's view of foreign policy and consider it to encapsulate the position of the GOP/Right/Conservatives, even though Paul claims that his is the only "real" conservative position.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5_ThKD2g4U<br />(cite, in Paul's own words)<br /><br />]<br /><br />Beyond the left's brow-beating of Bolton, there are plenty of "plain" conservatives who are uninterested in neoconservative foreign policy as well and thus brow-beat Bolton from time to time. (Paul, as noted above)<br /><br />Rather than actually defending Bolton's record against both liberal, libertarian, conservative and the Bush 43 administration (or talk about the foreign policy reversals toward Iran and N.Korea during 43 2nd term), the author of the article has set up a series of weird _partisan_ strawman arguments. <br /><br />The author's framework, Bolton v. Left, includes Bolton in a way I don't think is accurate.In foreign policy there seems to be this odd agreement between libertarians, plain old conservatives and plain old liberals. A "humble foreign policy," similar to what candidate Bush 43 proposed. Thus, I found your statement quite interesting, with one word removed, directed at Bolton. <br /><br />I find it much more interesting to talk about the following questions.<br /><br />What Bolton's strategy for dealing with N. Korea would be? <br /><br />Why woudl that policy be superior to Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 dealings with N. Korea? <br /><br />How Obama are (or should) deal with N. Korea?<br /><br />However, in your response you've avoided how outcast the neoconservative foreign policy position is relative to both liberals and conservatives.J. Woodardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04389942175700921486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-26309730065002183682009-05-27T10:48:23.472-04:002009-05-27T10:48:23.472-04:00By some form of technological magic , the word 'Le...By some form of technological magic , the word 'Left' was removed from my posting, thereby making it's point moot. Apparently using words like,'neo conservative neo-colonialist expansionist' means people on the starboard side of the political spectrum. So to be politically correct and not to offend oversensitive and underdeveloped ego's, I'll refer to the port side of the political spectrum as the 'cocondensational communistic cohabitants '.<br />I hope this leads to a better understanding between our peoples.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00684580973966931139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-53459457928828520092009-05-26T16:18:56.779-04:002009-05-26T16:18:56.779-04:00"You'll never get an apology from the ' arrested d..."You'll never get an apology from the ' arrested development' crowd on the [removed]. That would mean taking responsibility.And therefore the consequences there of.They will never accept that their actions have meaning. But they can't even accept the concept of right or wrong, so they lay secure in their belief that nothing matters but what they want. No reality. Only their desires matter. They don't accept or they don't care that their actions may have consequences. So their actual existence has little meaning. So why bother to apologize when you know your worthless? You'll find that in their world everything is everyone else's fault, not mine, so why should I say sorry?<br />Try having any sort of reasonable diolouge with them.( See Warden, for example) He obviously acts on his emotional intuition, which is shaped by his poor attitude. Will he admit this? No, never. Instead he will thrive in the rantings and incoherent raves of his fellow children.Sorry is never having to say your sorry."<br /><br />Wow, I read through your statement and thought it was a critique of neo-con philosophy of pre-emptive war. In particular, I thought of John Bolton's strategy toward Iran, Syria, Iraq and N. Korea and how he became so marginalized by Bush 43 he began to lecture against his former administration.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuqNWG9sbuE<br /><br />I think the entire argument by the author is the essence of beating up a strawman -- comparing a self-described humorist/satrist thoughts on N. Korea to a former (even if discredited) UN Ambassador.<br /><br />I'm amazed as well that Bolton's neo-conservative neo-colonialist expantionist foreign polices actually unite liberals, conservatives and libertarians.J. Woodardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04389942175700921486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-88150655766245030872009-05-26T14:01:20.198-04:002009-05-26T14:01:20.198-04:00You'll never get an apology from the ' arrested de...You'll never get an apology from the ' arrested development' crowd on the left. That would mean taking responsibility.And therefore the consequences there of.They will never accept that their actions have meaning. But they can't even accept the concept of right or wrong, so they lay secure in their belief that nothing matters but what they want. No reality. Only their desires matter. They don't accept or they don't care that their actions may have consequences. So their actual existence has little meaning. So why bother to apologize when you know your worthless? You'll find that in their world everything is everyone else's fault, not mine, so why should I say sorry?<br /> Try having any sort of reasonable diolouge with them.( See Warden, for example) He obviously acts on his emotional intuition, which is shaped by his poor attitude. Will he admit this? No, never. Instead he will thrive in the rantings and incoherent raves of his fellow children.Sorry is never having to say your sorry.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00684580973966931139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-14378338929238984782009-05-26T13:17:27.480-04:002009-05-26T13:17:27.480-04:00BTW, I find the left attacking people who post, an...BTW, I find the left attacking people who post, and not sticking to the problem a sign of their lack of maturity and lack of understand on dealing with out-of-control governments. This is a typical tactic when one tries to destroy the truth and won't admit it. Really sad.A Place for Dogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08279801414415081586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-30421759406042676512009-05-26T13:13:39.038-04:002009-05-26T13:13:39.038-04:00N. Korea launches a missile over the protected air...N. Korea launches a missile over the protected air space of Japan, no big deal. N. Korea lights an underground nuke, no big deal. When Iran tests an nuke underground, it too will be no big deal. <br /><br />When will it be a big deal? When one of these out-of-control countries actually uses one? Will that get Obama's attention? <br /><br />We wouldn't be having this discussion about N. Korea if Clinton hadn't provided the tools necessary to help N. Korea make a nuke back in the 1990s; it was provided for "peaceful electrical power generation". Isn't this what Iran is saying their nuclear program is all about?<br /><br />People are living in squalor in N. Korea yet they the money and resources to maintain a nuclear bomb program. Who is looking to invade N. Korea? What are they protecting themselves from? S. Korean aggression?<br /><br />Until N. Korea dissolves it tyrannical control over its people (re: sets them free), frees people from re-education, work and political prisons, then the world can and will support N. Korea. Until then, the only thing one can do is to isolate them until they realize bad behavior will not be rewarded.A Place for Dogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08279801414415081586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-83512552284130410742009-05-26T04:39:40.953-04:002009-05-26T04:39:40.953-04:00I have no particular animosity towards Bolton, Bus...I have no particular animosity towards Bolton, Bush, or conservatives (although I cannot really stomach Cheney - but this has nothing to do with Obama). Anyway, as a Leftist, I had no doubt that North Korea would do something "nuclear" and scandalous. So, I do not understand why others would doubt this. I do believe, however, that many conservatives wrongfully blame Obama for North Korea's latest round of defiance. This has been going on for decades. The old "Korea" is split in half for a reason!Darren Lenard Hutchinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16303769200481824426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-53051450292233186852009-05-26T03:00:43.074-04:002009-05-26T03:00:43.074-04:00Warden,
as far as class, what would you know of i...Warden, <br />as far as class, what would you know of it . You sure don't exhibit any.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01757868652109441142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-54064698904309223772009-05-26T01:28:18.298-04:002009-05-26T01:28:18.298-04:00I have to laugh when i read the comments from the ...I have to laugh when i read the comments from the <br />Left-Wing looney bin!!! How stupid can people be? You all make REAL Americans SICK!!! Those that see the truth, Admit if they are wrong, Are not for babysitting terrorist captured on the field of battle, etc, etc, Can yo all not see what those handling Obama are doing...'O' is bought & paid for...This Nation grows WEEKER daily, At home & Internationally, China 'bitch-slaps' Obama daily as does the rest of the third-world dictators & nuts! It is quite sickening if you let yourself look at the ENTIRE picture with an OPEN mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-61905157101554335852009-05-26T01:06:53.063-04:002009-05-26T01:06:53.063-04:00"He's a Riech-wing neocon Chickenhawk who's just i..."He's a Riech-wing neocon Chickenhawk who's just itching to take American to war again at the drop of a hat."<br /><br />Yes, Mr. Martin, wouldn't want to taint the debate with ad hominem attacks unsullied by pure, crushing logic, would we?Zombyboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10762590790772416885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-8910411731785927492009-05-26T01:03:26.015-04:002009-05-26T01:03:26.015-04:00I wonder if discredited writers include Thomas Fra...I wonder if discredited writers include Thomas Frank.Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10701922461580640235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-56469361439839695192009-05-26T01:03:06.990-04:002009-05-26T01:03:06.990-04:00Great point, Hank. Good to see some logic on this ...<I>Great point, Hank. Good to see some logic on this post</I>Why didn't you start off with it then? <br /><br />Re-read your first post. Do you not see what you're doing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-36388528002737234032009-05-26T00:29:28.149-04:002009-05-26T00:29:28.149-04:00It is a lesson in why we cannot, cannot, cannot, t...<I>It is a lesson in why we cannot, cannot, cannot, trust the Left with our national security.</I>On the contrary, after the fiascos in Afghanistan and Iraq, we can't trust conservatives.Steve J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05952259820467688797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-38004125285738269562009-05-25T23:53:59.954-04:002009-05-25T23:53:59.954-04:00Got WMD?
Iraq was a phony-baloney war based on ch...Got WMD?<br /><br />Iraq was a phony-baloney war based on cherry picked intel sold by by Cheney, Rumsfield and a plethora of neocons.<br /><br />In his rush to war, Bush kicked out the UN inspectors who in country, doing their jobs.<br /><br />He gave the inspectors 48 hours to leave.<br /><br />Google<br /><br /> "U.S advises weapons inspectors to leave Iraq".<br /><br />The Republicans hate Social Programs... unless of course it's in a foreign country.<br /><br /> Iraq, at a TRILLION DOLLARS PLUS is the most expensive Social Experiment in American history.<br /><br />Bush had no business invading that country while the UN weapons inspector were there doing their jobs and keeping Saddam in check.<br /><br />The Muslims in Iraq see America as Christian Crusaders and want us to die.<br /><br />"U.S advises weapons inspectors to leave Iraq"davemartin7777https://www.blogger.com/profile/08742635518976750241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-19884874593843194442009-05-25T23:35:12.335-04:002009-05-25T23:35:12.335-04:00This is my first time on this site and, while the ...This is my first time on this site and, while the blog is interesting, the comments are like reading a bunch of middle school kids insulting one another. Seriously, maybe it is about time we stick to the issues and not the distractions. No president is perfect - not a single one. Let's hope Obama has the cajones to handle N Korea and Iran so that America and the lives that we know (and have fought for in the past) survive ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-73719992080338016692009-05-25T23:18:31.579-04:002009-05-25T23:18:31.579-04:00Obsess much warden? I guess you got a lot of time ...Obsess much warden? I guess you got a lot of time on your hands. Oh, sorry. "Bad luck". Right. Not competence issues or poor work habits, no never.<br /><br />Those Lancet numbers were a political stunt, not <A HREF="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/upload/2007/07/KaneLancet.pdf" REL="nofollow">science</A>. Careful with that link. It has some math in it. But you published allegedly. You can hack it.mishuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02143128374241238378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-32267516390061117892009-05-25T23:04:11.931-04:002009-05-25T23:04:11.931-04:00Thanks Warden, I just see the right's ad hominem a...Thanks Warden, I just see the right's ad hominem attacks as success in getting the point across.davemartin7777https://www.blogger.com/profile/08742635518976750241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-16123321708669509012009-05-25T23:02:54.019-04:002009-05-25T23:02:54.019-04:00Bolton 'predicts' that N. Korea would test another...Bolton 'predicts' that N. Korea would test another nuclear device ?<br /><br />Wow ! I'm impressed !<br /><br />About as 'intuitive' as him 'predicting' that Israel would eventually slaughter another 1000 innocent civilians in some Arab nation.<br /><br />It's a given.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-63805263431971897812009-05-25T22:54:07.858-04:002009-05-25T22:54:07.858-04:00Warden,
You may want to do some independent resear...Warden,<br />You may want to do some independent research on Iraqi deaths. According to UN figures, the Iraqi mortality rate actually dropped over the past 5 years, compared to every year from 1980 to 2002. And the infant mortality rate, which increased steadily from 1980 to 2002 is dropping.<br />Lancet published figures a month or so prior to US elections in 2004 and 2006 using highly suspect data.<br />But, if you are concerned about civilian deaths, how do you feel about the 5,000 or so Serbian civilians killed by Clinton et al or the increasing number of Pakistani civilians killed in the Bush-Obama Pakistan Drone wars. At last count, it was 700 civilians killed along with 14 Al Qaeda.Beaver7216https://www.blogger.com/profile/08430261106563860896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-50500751047493930962009-05-25T22:38:46.123-04:002009-05-25T22:38:46.123-04:00Nice reading comprehension there, Jose. I'll try ...Nice reading comprehension there, Jose. I'll try to go slow here for your benefit. I was responding to what Mishu said in his/her comment: "REMEMBER YOU'RE UNEMPLOYED" which I said was a typically classless comment from your side, probably from someone born with a silver spoon in their mouth who never worked a day in their life. Do you follow my point now, genius? <br /><br />Again, a non-entity like yourself could never discourage me. I'll ask one more time: where is your contribution? Point us to your accomplishments in life. I've been a journalist, a freelance writer, a short story writer. I've been published more times than you've commented. \<br /><br />The blog is a hobby. I don't expect to make money from it or rise anywhere close to your station in life. I didn't even mean to post the website address along with my first comment here, I only did it because I had trouble signing in with my screen name. Sorry you were so threatened by it. Says a lot more about you than me. AS IF I OWE YOU some kind of explanation. You can't refute my points, so you attack the person like PigFaceBore above. <br /><br />What else ya got, bozo?Denierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09868021465867496096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-21159357888415012592009-05-25T22:26:57.079-04:002009-05-25T22:26:57.079-04:00i find it funny that we would apologize. Was he no...i find it funny that we would apologize. Was he not in charge when North Korea detonated the first bomb???<br /><br />This was during the whole let's not talk to our enemies approach.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714767629192675350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-68934558886690473022009-05-25T22:25:55.542-04:002009-05-25T22:25:55.542-04:00A "kiss-up, kick-down kind of guy".
You wingnuts ...A "kiss-up, kick-down kind of guy".<br /><br />You wingnuts can have him.davemartin7777https://www.blogger.com/profile/08742635518976750241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-46624212610423675682009-05-25T22:25:16.603-04:002009-05-25T22:25:16.603-04:00Warden, what does your lack of blogging success ha...Warden, what does your lack of blogging success have anything to do with the notion of empathy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com