tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post2126972887112320569..comments2023-10-24T11:23:31.580-04:00Comments on Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion: So Now All These People Will Apologize to Sarah Palin About Paul Revere, Right?William A. Jacobsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16433685588536441422noreply@blogger.comBlogger188125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-65430911830429764162011-06-08T20:41:40.404-04:002011-06-08T20:41:40.404-04:00@riasgt, it was common for individuals, groups and...@riasgt, it was common for individuals, groups and towns to own cannons in America until the late 1800's. A group of whites used a cannon to slaughter some blacks in South Carolina shortly after the civil war. In 1873 in Louisiana, a group of whites used a cannon to kill 80-150 people, mostly black, in what is known as the Colfax Massacre. Three years later, in South Carolina, a cannon was used again to slaughter blacks in what is known as the Hamburg Massacre.<br /><br />So the idea that the colonists wouldn't own a cannon is rather silly and doesn't square with the historical facts.<br /><br />It's a lame attempt to argue that the arms to which Palin referred were not the arms that the British wanted to capture and reveals a willingness to parse words in the extreme to arrive at a preconceived conclusion.<br /><br />Furthermore to argue that the arms belonged to the Massachusetts Colony and therefore not the colonists is to argue that the colonists were not the Massachusetts Colony. The Colony is apparently some disembodied entity that has no relation to its inhabitants. This kind of thinking makes a mockery of Lincoln's words "of the people, by the people, for the people".<br /><br />The argument about lying not warning doesn't even deserve a response it's so ridiculous.<br /><br />@Steven Kippel, first of all, the quote you cite was from a later interview and has only a tangential relationship with Palin's comments that engendered such derision from the uninformed and which are the subject of this post.<br /><br />Furthermore, even that quote does not say that the purpose of his ride was to warn the British. I know you think it does, but you clearly don't get the Palin vernacular. If you read it, it's actually true. Although it wasn't the reason he was sent out, it turned out to be part of his ride.<br /><br />I don't expect Palin's critics to ever concede a single point. It's not in their DNA. But as long as you keep making these ridiculous assertions in vain attempts to denigrate Palin, I will keep responding with facts.Antimediahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02443671039843468570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-45270356926338253312011-06-08T19:22:49.820-04:002011-06-08T19:22:49.820-04:00@Antimedia
You said, "No one has ever said t...@Antimedia<br /><br />You said, "No one has ever said that Revere was 'tasked with warning the British' except for the boobs like you that can't read."<br /><br />No one except for Sarah Palin in her interview with Fox News. She said, "Part of his ride was to warn the British that were already there."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01719030258925548162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-29740832749763287112011-06-08T17:24:44.114-04:002011-06-08T17:24:44.114-04:00I wanted to quote from David Hackett Fischer's...I wanted to quote from David Hackett Fischer's book "Paul Revere's Ride" , Oxford Press 1994. Taken from the chapter"The Capture" pp.135-136. "At last the (British) officers began to feel the full import of what Paul Revere had been telling them.His words of warning took on a stronger meaning when punctuated with gun fire (from the colonist).....As they (the British) came closer to the Common they (the British) began to hear Lexington's town bell clanging rapidly"Mr. Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14282156333019323169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-81892106721798756032011-06-08T16:07:24.008-04:002011-06-08T16:07:24.008-04:00OK political numbnuts let's look at the real h...OK political numbnuts let's look at the real history, not what a poet wrote close to 100 years after the fact, or what other historians wrote 200 years after the fact.<br /><br />1) The colonists were British in April of 1775. They were not fighting for freedom from the British Empire, but to be Free Englishmen with the ability to govern themselves. The Declaration of Independence was not ratified until the next year, 1776. Although some radicals might have wanted separation from England sooner "the cause of liberty" from England had not yet been adopted by the Continental Congress which was the defacto government of the rebellion.<br /><br />2) If you look at the Orders of General Gage to the commander of the military expedition to Concord, Lt Col Francis Smith, dated April 18 1775 (found online at: http://tinyurl.com/6ebs4b4), Gage does not mention Samuel Adams or John Hancock, NOR does he mention Lexington at all. The colonists, though knowing in advance of the expedition, did not know and only speculated that Adams and Hancock were targeted.<br /><br />3) Paul Revere. When Revere was stopped en route to Concord by Maj Mitchell and party and then questioned, Revere lies. He tells then that the troops intended for Concord had been stopped by some 500 militia in Cambridge. This is not warning the "British", this is lying to unnerve a small group of mounted officers on horseback, 10+/- miles away from safety, in the middle of a chilly April night. (Side note: when Revere appears a couple weeks later, he puts in to the Committee of Safety for the Cost, Care and Feeding of the horse he lost on his ride. He bill is paid by the Committee. However, the horse did not belong to Revere, but to Deacon John Larkin of Charlestown and Deacon Larkin never saw a penny of that money. If Revere sped through the night to warn the countryside, would he have stopped to feed the horse along the way? If you want o read more abo0ut Revere's character look into his exploits on the Penobscot Expedition of 1779. The man if not an idiot was a complete Douche! <br /><br />4) Colonial Arms. The stock pile of arms, munitions and military supplies which were the focus of Gen Gage's orders were not targeting people's personal property, but were the property of the Colony of Massachusetts. What colonist would have a 12-lb cannon for his own personal protection??? The Colony of Massachusetts was owned by England. If the Colony is owned by England, and the munitions and arms were property of the Colony of Massachusetts, you do the math, who owned them??? They were supplies originally supplied by or stolen from the Government of Massachusetts and therefore property of not the colonists but the Government. Not one order was given to target individuals in their homes and abscond with their personal Fowler or musket.<br /><br />Please notice I have not commented on Sarah Palin, her politics, or the Tea Party movement. I have posted only to set straight historical inaccuracies which have been vomited all over this blog.riasgthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03058574035644675272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-74180193827334035152011-06-07T20:18:23.606-04:002011-06-07T20:18:23.606-04:00Another idiot joins the fray. "It wasn't...Another idiot joins the fray. "It wasn't the colonist's arms, but a supply cache of weapons." Who do you suppose those weapons belonged to moron? And do you suppose they might have referred to them as "our" arms?<br /><br />No one has ever said that Revere was "tasked with warning the British" except for the boobs like you that can't read. I know this might be hard for you to grasp, but sometimes people end up doing things they weren't tasked to do. Work on understanding that. It might help you in the future.Antimediahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02443671039843468570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-56925002221777336632011-06-07T15:28:52.466-04:002011-06-07T15:28:52.466-04:00Here are a few things: First, The British were co...Here are a few things: First, The British were coming, in part to take arms, not every colonist's personal arms, but the supply cache of weapons in Lexington and Concord. Second, they were also coming to arrest Samuel Adams and John Hancock. Third, Paul Revere's job was to warn Adams and Hancock of the British's intent to arrest them and to warn the colonists of the British forces. Fourth, Paul Revere was not tasked with warning the British soldiers that the Colonists were not going to let them take away their arms and would fight them, they already knew that was the feeling among a lot of the Colonists. When he was captured, he did inform the British soldiers again of the Colonists intent. <br /><br />Bottom line, Sarah Palin's answer to a simple question, "What have you seen here (Boston) today and what will you take away from today?" was inaccurate and jumbled. I do not believe her misstep was the result of ignorance of American history, but rather she was surprised by the question and was trying to give an answer that would remain on message. My biggest complaint is that she refuses to say, "Oops, I misspoke." <br />www.canigetawordin.comErichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16647372428624905546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-66499619371873847172011-06-07T10:36:42.073-04:002011-06-07T10:36:42.073-04:00Uh, logic?
1) Whether or not he INTENDED to do it...Uh, logic?<br /><br />1) Whether or not he INTENDED to do it doesn't change the fact that he did.<br /><br />2) Oh my. Big laugh at the "he didn't war them, he haunted them."<br /><br />The parsing that's going on here is tremendous. If these are the lengths you have to go to prove that someone's dumb, you're clearly beyond the low-hanging fruit, people. I'll say it again: GET. A. GRIP.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16582577871751271892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-58966732369117766232011-06-07T07:06:30.654-04:002011-06-07T07:06:30.654-04:00Revere had ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION of warning the ...<i>Revere had ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION of warning the British </i><br /><br />Until he did.Jim Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00053203362792999895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-13723574512438873122011-06-07T07:04:47.427-04:002011-06-07T07:04:47.427-04:00You just can't stand it, can you, TheFooshShow...You just can't stand it, can you, TheFooshShow? "He only taunted them! He didn't warn them!" LOL.Jim Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00053203362792999895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-2843890770891273862011-06-07T01:28:32.315-04:002011-06-07T01:28:32.315-04:001) Palin had no idea what Revere was about until t...1) Palin had no idea what Revere was about until the next day after her handlers helped her out 2) the ride was obviously over if he was captured 3) once caught, he didn't "warn" the British Regulars, he "taunted" them and "boasted" 4) some townspeople in some towns rang the bells and shot their guns, but he didn't and he didn't tell them to. <br /><br />Did she perhaps mean there were no "Americans" yet, as there were no United States? They were all British subjects, but no one's made that argument that I've heard, certainly no one from the Palin camp. <br /><br />What's this unaccomplished anti-intellectual quitter going to call her third party? "Know-nothings" is already taken. TheFooshShowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08281476788724442569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-28840998539616195662011-06-07T00:09:27.680-04:002011-06-07T00:09:27.680-04:00There sure are a lot of stupid people on the left....There sure are a lot of stupid people on the left. They can't read. They don't understand the English language at all. They clearly don't understand that words can have more than one meaning. They can't grasp how anachronistic interjection alters the meaning of a story, don't grasp what a figure of speech is and aren't aware that regional speech patterns can influence the meaning of words as well as phraseology.<br /><br />For example, Tony Matias (and numerous others) completely misses the meaning of the word "warn" (as in "threaten, admonish, caution") which Revere most certainly did when captured by the British. Yes, it was a ploy designed to win his release, and yes, it involved a bit of false bravado, but he warned the British nonetheless.<br /><br />For Tony, warn can only have one meaning - alert - and he simply can't grasp why Revere would have warned the British when he was trying so hard to avoid them.<br /><br />Either we are to believe that, or we must accept the fact that Tony knows exactly what warn means in this instance but, for partisan reasons, refuses to acknowledge it, preferring instead to mock Palin for something she never said.<br /><br />Others want to insist that Palin couldn't possibly have suddenly boned up on the minutiae of Revere's letters, completely forgetting that she had visited the museum that day and probably heard the story from a museum guide. I suppose it's because they never go to museums and so have no idea what kind of information one can learn there. Yet that was, in part, the purpose of Palin's trip.<br /><br />For them, if something is incomprehensible to them it is incomprehensible to all. The idea that someone else might comprehend something that they cannot comprehend is, well, incomprehensible to them.<br /><br />Still they insist on lecturing others on the meaning of words, sentences and paragraphs and how people think as if their knowledge and comprehension knows no bounds.<br /><br />It would be pitiful if it weren't so dangerous. Once we have restored freedom to America, we should find a special place for such people, a place where they can babble incoherently without doing any more damage to the nation.Antimediahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02443671039843468570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-48470209934167298982011-06-06T20:51:01.519-04:002011-06-06T20:51:01.519-04:00"...he largely road through the countryside....."...he largely road through the countryside..."<br /><br />Good thing this is a history lesson and not an English lesson ;c)Tommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16717789961448334948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-28508152053407227422011-06-06T16:30:08.826-04:002011-06-06T16:30:08.826-04:00you know they will not apologize http://nabacar.co...you know they will not apologize http://nabacar.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-35370657539945903442011-06-06T15:52:48.035-04:002011-06-06T15:52:48.035-04:00Yeah, you sure learned something about Paul Revere...Yeah, you sure learned something about Paul Revere. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. The man was an American patriot who spent his ride trying to avoid the British - he even escaped a chase once - before his eventual capture. This is the problem when you put politics ahead of truth.dudester415https://www.blogger.com/profile/03843494065883116778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-82498705906419902652011-06-06T15:22:49.897-04:002011-06-06T15:22:49.897-04:00Mr. Jacobsen: Are you kidding me!!!!
We all know...Mr. Jacobsen: Are you kidding me!!!!<br /><br />We all know there is absolutley NO WAY Palin ever read Paul Revere's obscure 1789 letter. Even if she did, why minimize the aspect of Revere's ride that changed our nation's history i.e. his warnings to colonists? <br /><br />Palin didn't describe the legend of Paul Revere, nor the actual historical events. She screwed up the facts and now defenders such as yourself are digging up an obscure story not even relevant to the history itself and holding it up as though Palin knew what she was talking about. This is insane.Breckenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14547587230646102341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-84035365086308470552011-06-06T12:46:59.111-04:002011-06-06T12:46:59.111-04:00I can't wait to see what the left comes up wit...I can't wait to see what the left comes up with when she recounts the history of the "COME AND TAKE IT" flag. I bet they'll claim it's not a cannon, but a...use your imagination.Nobody specialhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12741710674955707541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-48940883988206601412011-06-06T12:11:18.139-04:002011-06-06T12:11:18.139-04:00"On the same day at about 10 pm, Dr. Warren s..."On the same day at about 10 pm, Dr. Warren sent Revere and William Dawes, a shoe maker, to Lexington where Adams and Hancock were staying. They took separate routes in case one of them was arrested; they had to make sure the message would get to its destination. Dawes was sent through land while Revere embarked through the Charles River. As he was getting ready to board, he realized that the oars would make too much noise and would alert the British. Finally a boatman provided him with a petticoat from his girlfriend which he wrapped around the oars to muffle the sound."<br /><br />This was written by the Paul Revere Heritage Project and the graduates at Boston University History Club. <br /><br />Please note that Revere had ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION of warning the British of anything, let alone signaling he was near. <br /><br />http://www.paul-revere-heritage.com/midnight-ride.htmlTony Matiashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00366952990185384422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-54655204301185550242011-06-06T12:04:27.797-04:002011-06-06T12:04:27.797-04:00Very interesting. Good job on this post about Pali...Very interesting. Good job on this post about Palin and Paul Revere!Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05168316809023553247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-8019958744032939452011-06-06T11:18:57.353-04:002011-06-06T11:18:57.353-04:00Yikes' post is amusing, because liberals in th...Yikes' post is amusing, because liberals in this comment section are now taking both positions: that she was technically wrong, and that she was technically right, but-who-cares-because-she's-still-stupid. You can even have fun pretending that they're arguing with each other!Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16582577871751271892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-39181323805318929862011-06-06T10:38:17.793-04:002011-06-06T10:38:17.793-04:00Angela Marie said...
Palin is dumb as a stump...<i>Angela Marie said...<br /><br /> Palin is dumb as a stump and everybody knows it.</i><br /><br />Says the stump.Cydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02334032603842676523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-59956539908278120012011-06-06T09:26:28.086-04:002011-06-06T09:26:28.086-04:00@Yikes So, libs are going to rely on facts and rea...@Yikes So, libs are going to rely on facts and reality now? Wow. That'll be a refreshing change, what brought that on, someone take away your raaaaacism card?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00190146768756065925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-87193825745402424322011-06-06T09:04:45.611-04:002011-06-06T09:04:45.611-04:00Those darned liberals are so frustrating, relying ...Those darned liberals are so frustrating, relying on facts and reality, etc. But where they can never beat us is in our ability to spin a yarn, to twist those facts into something that may seem bizarre, but if we pretend it's not bizarre, after a while it's almost like it was true! So, don't give up, Sarah, no matter how wrong or inaccurate you are, we are standing by to "set it all straight!"Yikes McGeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02068393009361526552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-13024161733907737732011-06-05T23:28:51.587-04:002011-06-05T23:28:51.587-04:00@Jennaratrix:
"Palin pretty much misspoke...&...@Jennaratrix:<br /><i>"Palin pretty much misspoke..."</i> but...but..but...<i>she did NOT misspeak</i> The essential fact under dispute is <b>true</b>. <br /><i>"The mumblejumble of crap that spewed out of her mouth was in no way comprehensible."</i><br />It was perfectly comprehensible to me.<br /><br /><i>"the fact...that woman is in no way qualified..."</i>That is not a "fact". It is an opinion. As far as I know she meets the essential qualifications: age, natural born citizen, etc. <br /><br />She "handled" the governorship so well that she resigned when it became clear that her political enemies were going to investigate her into administrative stasis. <br /><br />Finally, the VP candidate does not "co-run" the campaign. Never.<br /><br />I'm a college teacher. I think that qualifies me as a "thinking person." I would seriously consider her as a candidate. So you are wrong when you say "no thinking person."David WLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12862161078040629817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-56704292987926658262011-06-05T23:23:37.688-04:002011-06-05T23:23:37.688-04:00Quoting Palin, "He who warned, uh, the…the Br...Quoting Palin, "He who warned, uh, the…the British that they weren’t gonna be takin’ away our arms, uh, by ringin’ those bells and um by makin’ sure that as he’s ridin’ his horse through town to send those warnin’ shots and bells that uh we were gonna be secure and we were gonna be free…and we were gonna be armed."<br /><br />Did she say he was riding to warn the British? That that was his purpose? No. Yet some have insisted that’s what she was saying and it was therefore stupid. The stupidity is on the part of the hearers, who don’t listen. They conflate his ride, which actually had two purposes, to warn Adams and Hancock and also to alert the countryside and villages with her statement about his encounter with the British.<br /><br />As for the shots and bells, she used a synecdoche, a common figure of speech, that puts the part for the whole. No, Revere didn’t literally ring the bells, pound the drums and fire the warning shots. But, by warning all who did, he can be said to have done it. And the figure of speech synecdoche is used in precisely that way.<br /><br />When you only have ten seconds to answer a question, you can’t expound upon the subject. Her point is quite clear to those whose judgment isn’t clouded by a hatred of Palin or by having been so thoroughly corrupted by the media’s portrayal of her as stupid that you can no longer think for yourself.<br /><br />Some have even argued that he never rode through a town, only villages, and therefore Palin is stupid. If you can’t see how strained that attempt to defame her is, your vision is obscured.<br /><br />The larger point is that had anyone else said this, there would have been some scratching of heads until those with knowledge confirmed the accuracy of her statement. Because it’s Palin, the alarm bells go off instantly and the full force of PDS rises up to damn her. Yet she just keeps chugging along like nothing has happened.<br /><br />I want a person with that level of intestinal fortitude and peaceful inner strength to be my President. If she is the nominee, I will gladly cast my vote for her. What will you do? Vote for Obama?<br /><br />If you vote for Obama after what he's done and is doing to this country, then give up calling Palin stupid, because you just won that prize yourself.Antimediahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02443671039843468570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-73665800183038128732011-06-05T22:36:25.601-04:002011-06-05T22:36:25.601-04:00What a clusterfuck. As a MA native and a history ...What a clusterfuck. As a MA native and a history major, I can see all sides of this story. Sure, Revere warned Adams and Hancock that they were due to be arrested. Sure, Revere warned the British soldiers that the populace was getting ready to resist. As with any historical event, many different takes are possible, and all hold some small kernel of truth. And sure, Palin pretty much misspoke. Let's just get that out of the way. The mumblejumble of crap that spewed out of her mouth was in no way comprehensible. It neither proves that she's an abject moron nor that she's an over-educated mastermind spinning the "libtards" into a frenzy as a distraction technique. It just IS. Let's move on, shall we?<br /><br />Let's move on to the fact that no matter how you slice it, that woman is in no way qualified to be president of these United States. IN NO WAY. She couldn't handle the governorship of Alaska, and she (co-)ran a ruinous campaign for president. No thinking person could seriously consider her a candidate, and yet here we all are, listening to this inane drivel and talking about it ceaselessly. <br /><br />Her family vacation and the garbage that continues to come out of her mouth while that vacation is being endlessly covered by the media is taking attention away from reasonable candidates, candidates who should be getting our undivided attention as we go into yet another campaign season. We have more important things to worry about and comment on than the ill-chosen words of one American moron. Let's listen to ALL the ill-chosen words of ALL the morons running for president, and with any luck, pick the best of a bad bunch. What say you?Jennaratrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05711346859521790870noreply@blogger.com