tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post6941050790086705190..comments2023-10-24T11:23:31.580-04:00Comments on Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion: Day 5 Of NY Times Cone of Silence On Maurice Hinchey AssaultWilliam A. Jacobsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16433685588536441422noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-26460630293055292072010-10-21T12:50:31.254-04:002010-10-21T12:50:31.254-04:00By the letter of the law, I'll grant finger po...By the letter of the law, I'll grant finger poking and pushing are both assault and battery. But here are my points:<br />1. Do you want Hinchey prosecuted for a finger poke and a push? Is there any chance he would be convicted? And if you've ever used the phrase "man-up", then you should drop complaining about this. <br />2. Should the NYT be shamed for not covering this? Is it really that big a deal? The local press has covered it, but is there even state-wide, much less national significance? I know you likely don't read the NYT, but outside the tri-state area, it takes quite a bit of newsworthy-ness to make the paper.<br />3. The accusation in this post is that Hinchey choked Kemble. Is there a shred of evidence of this? Does Kemble still claim Hinchey even touched his throat?<br />4. Comparing this event to false-imprisonment - oh, I'm sory, a citizen's arrest - is ludicrous. Which would you be more pissed about: getting poked in the chest and pushed, or being hand-cuffed for any length of time.Mark Ericksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12604074895219791713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-52890891834445367382010-10-21T07:56:56.556-04:002010-10-21T07:56:56.556-04:00I was present at the debate, and did not witness t...I was present at the debate, and did not witness the confrontation but know people who did. There is nothing alleged about it, although it doesn't sound like assault. Hinchey very definitely lost it over a question from a reporter on a topic Hinchey has consistently refused to discuss or acknowledge. I was at George Phillips' Saugerties campaign office on Saturday, 2 days after the debate (I am a volunteer and have been for over 6 months) and the Partition Street Project (which is a block or 2 from Phillips' office) was the main topic among the locals. Many are outraged over it. It also involves a site contamination and a demolition that was illegal - of a property that has Hinchey's investment involvement. <br /><br />Incidentally, Hinchey pushed Kemble INTO George Phillips. I know folks who saw this and Phillips has stated it in an interview. That might be assault!Peg C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06551207217057903731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-87992782153427634362010-10-20T08:02:05.773-04:002010-10-20T08:02:05.773-04:00The pigs are upset because we'e started taking...The pigs are upset because we'e started taking pictures of the rules on the barn... And no, Democrats are not more equal than the rest of us...setnaffahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10993173717353847154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-47480384787606285952010-10-20T07:32:06.868-04:002010-10-20T07:32:06.868-04:00I happen to live near Kingston and use to subscrib...I happen to live near Kingston and use to subscribe to the Freeman. (he's not my congressman. We're at the corner of 3 districts here) Those in the area that rely on the NYT are voting for Hinchey even if he's dead, and the Freeman is a reasonably liberal paper. It's not the NYT, but it isn't the Daily News either. The Partition Project has had questions about it for a long time, and Hinchey has never answered them, hence the repeated question of him. Nevertheless, the 22nd District was drawn for him. It includes a couple small cities, and travels along Rt 17 to swoop into Ithaca and include Cornell. It's probably 1 mile wide in places. Reminds me of NC-5Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-83750844145083827632010-10-20T05:13:50.424-04:002010-10-20T05:13:50.424-04:00got in a reporter's face (which certainly can ...got in a reporter's face (which certainly can be assault, even with no contact).Think Extraordinaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08657273583469247434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-28710855851645020502010-10-20T01:54:19.582-04:002010-10-20T01:54:19.582-04:00Actually, N.S., your're right. Poking someone...Actually, N.S., your're right. Poking someone in the chest isn't assault, it's battery.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00323682013007230229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-50712645192880407382010-10-20T00:23:54.401-04:002010-10-20T00:23:54.401-04:00The NY Times can no longer be trusted.The NY Times can no longer be trusted.glenzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08878840106953555822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-36286893344103022992010-10-20T00:00:18.251-04:002010-10-20T00:00:18.251-04:00Shooter,
Don't confuse Assault and Battery.
...Shooter,<br /><br />Don't confuse Assault and Battery.<br /><br />At any rate, your source 'could not be sure' about physical contact, so it's not clear how he's so certain there was no contact with the throat. We have proof Hinchey's account is unreliable. Your own account is disturbing on its own, noting the congressman, when confronted with his corruption, got in a reporter's face (which certainly can be assault, even with no contact). <br /><br />You snark that the NYT is the paper of record. Even though you know they are covering up a huge story because they want to skew election results. Their record is that they are totally unreliable.<br /><br />It's amazing the length some partisans will go. You know this guy is a creep. You know the NYT is avoiding a real story. And yet your views are completely twisted the wrong way.Dustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15590811467601049788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-41309542065609593122010-10-19T23:34:43.473-04:002010-10-19T23:34:43.473-04:00The Forth Estate is now the Fifth Column.
4E=5CThe Forth Estate is now the Fifth Column.<br /><br />4E=5CDave Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13779153708960447630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-89113012603030035492010-10-19T16:49:31.186-04:002010-10-19T16:49:31.186-04:00You mean the Poughkeepsie Journal that said: "...You mean the Poughkeepsie Journal that said: "Here's where it gets murky. After the questioning, a Your News Now [YNN] videographer said the two had an altercation, and alleged that Hinchey poked Kemble in the chest, according to Capital Tonight. This was not on camera."<br /><br />And you mean the Middletown (NY) Times Herald-Record that went on from your quote adding more details from the YNN reporter directly: "Hinchey found some support for one of his denials at the Monday gathering from YNN reporter-videographer Doug Short, who witnessed Thursday's confrontation. Short said that there was no question that Hinchey did not choke or try to choke Kemble, who has alleged on a website that the congressman 'put his hands on my throat.' Short said the congressman 'went right over to Kemble' after telling him to shut up and the two 'got in each other's faces.' Short said he saw some "finger-wagging" on Hinchey's part, but could not be sure if the congressman ever touched or poked the reporter."<br /><br />It's nice that you admit the NYT is the paper of record, but if you want to show malfeasance, shouldn't you find a credible report from a medium sized outlet that Hinchey actually assaulted someone? (and btw, you're not claiming finger pointing on the chest is assault, right?)Mark Ericksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12604074895219791713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-91101827429758395532010-10-19T13:14:38.273-04:002010-10-19T13:14:38.273-04:00It was mentioned in Politico today...sort of...
O...It was mentioned in Politico today...sort of...<br /><br />Ok, kind of like "almost mentioned"<br /><br />http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43814_Page2.htmlconservative generationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10614578478747561732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-60268224171096166462010-10-19T11:21:00.890-04:002010-10-19T11:21:00.890-04:00Sean Hannity managed to discuss the assault yester...Sean Hannity managed to discuss the assault yesterday, I noticed. (But didn't credit your site, alas.)Quite Rightlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06454908849040454661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522121129844880066.post-8498394249132211252010-10-19T11:07:31.259-04:002010-10-19T11:07:31.259-04:00It gives me such a feeling of sadness to know our ...It gives me such a feeling of sadness to know our fourth estate is so far gone. Really, most don't even pretend anymore, such as this instance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com